Selfing to achieve 4N breeders

[orchidsarefun]

you forget about the following
- the destruction of species habitat
- the prevalence of mericloning
- the natural life-cycle
- examples of what has happened with other species.

I repeat - there is less harm in what I am trying to do, compared to species modification. To me the end doesn't justify the means. There is a BIG difference to unlocking a gene pool of 3Ns, to creating a GM gene pool of species.

I am not saying however that artificial manipulation of hybrids is necessarily a bad thing. It would be interesting if someone actually knew the names of a couple...

GirlGoneWild - see this current article. There are many more, but you get the gist. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Two Mexican states ban GM corn | Health Impact News

[orchidsarefun]

Originally Posted by orchidsarefun

you forget about the following
- the destruction of species habitat
- the prevalence of mericloning
- the natural life-cycle
- examples of what has happened with other species.

I repeat - there is less harm in what I am trying to do, compared to species modification. To me the end doesn't justify the means. There is a BIG difference to unlocking a gene pool of 3Ns, to creating a GM gene pool of species.

I am not saying however that artificial manipulation of hybrids is necessarily a bad thing. It would be interesting if someone actually knew the names of a couple...

GirlGoneWild - see this current article. There are many more, but you get the gist. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Two Mexican states ban GM corn | Health Impact News

I have not changed my view on species GM, whatever you want to call it and the above is still my view. As that great philosopher Sarah Palin once said you can put lipstick on a pig, but you still have a pig

[orchidsarefun]

GirlGoneWild said
"So, theoretically you would not be opposed to, say, recreating primary hybrids as tetraploids by treating the offspring of diploid species plants with cochlicine. But what Rob did with his blue equestris--treating it to create a 4N blue equestris with improved form--that you don't approve of, since equestris is a species plant? Same with the violacea and/or bellina? (I would LOVE a tetraploid bellina or blue violacea for my collection.. *drool*) "

Me approving or not approving doesn't mean a whit but I like to think I don't play fast and loose with what I do believe in. Ironically Rob's 4N equestris poses a problem for me now. Now that I know better. I didn't buy it knowing it was GM - its not advertised as such ( CT or whatever ), but I think knowledge about that fact is implied. Well that deed is now done. I have used it on a 4N hybrid as well as a 2N species, pollination failed on the 2N. The fact that the pollination failed is a good thing and thus preserves the natural order !!!! I am not sure on the 4N as pod is still developing.
Thinking what to do with a living thing is not the same thing as subsequently finding out a piece of clothing you have was made in a sweat factory in Bangladesh. What do you think I should do ?