HP Norton - Best Phal Breeder on the Planet?

[ockham]

Thank you very much undergrounder, I am going to keep and print this list. Also I loved the info about quantitatively the know threshold between quality and the possible maximum covered area. I knew that the threshold existed, but I din´t knew it quantitatively and more detailed that was a narrow easy to manage range between 11 and 12..... I mean, many times things like the substance or other concomitants inside the hybrid-line gene pool had the power to ''relativisize'' how large this range would be (lets say 2-3 cm make the range between minimum and maximum non informative if I may say). Thanks a lot again

Regarding philippensis, I understand what you said, but I still think the lack of philippensis in some white breeding lines is somehow ''negligent'', I mean, if a polyploid is crossed whit 2n obteining a F2 of ''mules'' (3n, 5n), is still possible even if it difficult to obtain an f3 with more stable 2(x)n plants, also the polyploidy induced in philippensis protocorns is possible to better the results (for example colchicine).... Maybe all species are comparatively ''poor'' to ''very poor'' to the complex hybrid, making at first glance irrelevant its use, but the sole fact of new blood added to a genetically quite narrow line (bottleneck or genetic drift), had bay itself many potential possibilities.

Thanks a lot
Ockham

Originally Posted by Undergrounder

Both of the plants you have are good examples of the thing you want... The largest whites get to about 15cm wide, although at that size they lose a bit of shape, flower count and presentation. When they get 'down' to about 11-12cm, large plants exist with perfect shape and presentation and huge flower counts. Some of the nicer large whites are:

Sogo Yukidian 'V3'
Sogo Yukidian 'Ping Tung King'
Taisuco Wonder
Taisuco Crane
Join Angel
Join Grace
I-Hsin Snow Bear
Cygnus

Some of the nicer pink blush on whites are:

Hsinying Maki 'Shot Gun'
Maki Watanabi
Nobby's Amy (variable - some cvs. are nice, others horrible)
Sogo Genki
Mount Lip 'Spring Song'

There are zillions of great hybrids, new patterns and colours, it really depends what you like..



I think 1. Because for today's fashions, philippensis doesn't have much more to add - flowers are smaller, more open, less substance, not as flat, crowded on the spike, etc. Fashion has tended to favour larger, flatter, fuller flowers and large whites are better in these departments.

2. Because adding philippensis to large white hybrid lines would create mainly sterile, 3n mules in the first generation. It would take a bit of foresight, time and effort to introduce philippensis without this problem.

There are some really nice line-bred philippensis posted on the bigleaf forums at the moment.. i think this is basically what a large white x philippensis would look like.

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