Proposal for a subsection on the "Pests & Diseases"

[alessandro2011]

I would like propose a subsection where discuss only about biological and/or natural remedies against Pests & Diseases.
Naturally with the inclusion even of good insects and larvae against the bad pests.

[DavidCampen]

What is a natural remedy? Is copper acetoarsenate natural? How about azadirachtin or pyrethrin?

[alessandro2011]

pyrethrin for example.
However exist various systems.(1)
Some systems are present even on the follow list, regardless the title "vegetable garden":
Rimedi naturali per difendere l’orto dai parassiti


Note:
I don't like much the idea of use system based on copper.

1) Attention although certain products are based on natural systems, to prolong its effectiveness over time,someone are mixed with chemicals, which in practice will distort their impact with the environment.
For example exist product based on pyrethrin that add even a lot of chemical component so, in the end, have few sense use it.

[RosieC]

I think the problem with this would be that what some people consider 'natural' is not considered natural by others. For example I happily use a copper strip to try and discourage slugs... is that natural or not... I consider it is.

I think this is the point that David is making and trying to split this out would be too difficult to keep everyone happy about what went in each section.

[Triffid]

How about a few "Sticky Threads" devoted to particular areas such as "Helpful Insects"?
Just a thought

[alessandro2011]

Originally Posted by RosieC

I think the problem with this would be that what some people consider 'natural' is not considered natural by others.

A "partial help" could came from products considered biologic from some authorities on various Countries (UE,USA,etc.).
Similar list could be regarded as a point of departure and don't arrival because we all know that certain decisions are partly influenced by lobbyists.
Naturally this may lead to a debate but as soon remains correct and respectful may well become an opportunity to see if other countries are given more environmentally friendly solutions for the same problems.

Originally Posted by RosieC

For example I happily use a copper strip to try and discourage slugs... is that natural or not... I consider it is.

Use copper strip as trap is a different matter rathern then use it over a plant. The impact is zero, so, yes, it's important even on which way is used a system.
However, for that problem, I usually hear about using the normal beer, so the slugs are attracted by the smell and then die drowned.

Originally Posted by RosieC

I think this is the point that David is making and trying to split this out would be too difficult to keep everyone happy about what went in each section.

Originally Posted by Triffid

How about a few "Sticky Threads" devoted to particular areas such as "Helpful Insects"?
Just a thought

A strong point of the forum is the exchange of knowledge but without a system to be able to organize information, that information end up scattered.
The main object consist on find a way for avoid it.
I believe that both these systems, sub section and sticky, aren't mutually exclusive, but a sticky system require more work from moderators for taken it update, and often happen that end only on a long list of topic that speak about a certain arguments, so the users should read each single topic for find an informations, while when i think about sticky i think at it as an organic synthesis of the news reported over differents topics that speak about a certain argument, reporting only to the end of the references to the topic from which these informations was present.

[DavidCampen]

Originally Posted by RosieC

I think the problem with this would be that what some people consider 'natural' is not considered natural by others. For example I happily use a copper strip to try and discourage slugs... is that natural or not... I consider it is.

I think this is the point that David is making and trying to split this out would be too difficult to keep everyone happy about what went in each section.

Yes, exactly my point. Posts about things like pyrethrin, spinosad, azadirachtin, sulfur, copper strips, soaps, sticky traps etc. would end up being spread across both subforums.

A subforum specifically for living biological agents could work though: Wasps, lady bugs, bacteria, viruses, carnivorous plants etc.

[alessandro2011]

But on the above case scenario is sufficient move that topics on the more specific subforum ...

Interesting the idea about carnivorous plants even on this forum ... though I think could be more an indirect form of aid especially from plants put on the garden respect plants put on separate pots.

[RosieC]

At the moment there does not seem to be much support for this idea. I think if we get more people posting to agree with the idea we can take the idea to Marty, but at the moment I don't see enough support to do that, sorry

[alessandro2011]

Patience perhaps on future the time came.
On the meantime remains the opportunity to discuss these solutions on the Pests & Diseases section.