When is an orchid considered a species?

[camille1585]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Yes, there are hybrid orchids with Latin sounding names. The only one that comes to my mind at the moment is -

Paphiopedilum Maudiae!

There are many more hybrids with names that look like this. Trust me, it isn't just one or two, there are a good number of them.

Then there is also the species Paphiopedilum maudiae!!!

Didn't know that there was Maudiae and maudiae. Making writing out the name properly all the more important.

Off the top of my head I know some other hybrids that could easily be thought to be a species if there's no capital.
Phal Wiganiae
Paph Delrosi

[lambelkip]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Then there is also the species Paphiopedilum maudiae!!!

no species has ever been described using that name, but the hybrid has often been sold as if it were a species.

[Bud]

agressive is not in my nature, Camille...it is merely a correction...
Ramon and The Molly creature have been known to have attacked me or have been harassing me in several occations on reasons beyond my comprehension. So if I see them I am always on a deffensive attack.

invasive species as a widespread nonindigenous species. This one can be too broad, as not every nonindigenous or "introduced" species has an adverse effect on a nonindigenous environment. A nonadverse example is the common goldfish (Carassius auratus), though common outside its native range globally, it is rarely in harmful densities to a native habitat. Just like some orchid species originally from Asia brought to my Manhattan home.

but I guess I was wrong in giving a definition of species when in fact as Phillip has written...the thread was about nomenclature issue rather than definition...

[kavanaru]

Originally Posted by Bud

Ramon and The Molly creature have been known to have attacked me or have been harassing me in several occations on reasons beyond my comprehension. So if I see them I am always on a deffensive attack..

WTF? Guy, you better relax and put your paranoia aside! No one has attacked you here at all.. I was just correcting some wrong information you had posted (in this thread and in your Cycnoches chlorochilon thread)... only that! and yes, in both cases you were and are wrong! as you said, read the books first (but please, not only reading them, try to understand them as well!... ok, I must admit, this last sentence can be understood as aggressive, I would call it more a sarcastic fact )

if you become defensive/aggressive when you see us here, then you really have a problem, and I would suggest asking for professional help!

as for the others, sorry for the stupid direction this discussion has taken... this is my last reply to Bud on this thread...

[Cewal]

Thanks, everyone, for the wealth of information. I'm learning a lot from this thread. Now, to further confuse things, what does this name mean: Paphiopedilum wardii 'Longford' CC/OSCOV ? It looks like a species but why is there another name after the lower-case name?

[kavanaru]

Originally Posted by Cewal

Thanks, everyone, for the wealth of information. I'm learning a lot from this thread. Now, to further confuse things, what does this name mean: Paphiopedilum wardii 'Longford' CC/OSCOV ? It looks like a species but why is there another name after the lower-case name?

Minda, that is a Paph. wardii that received a CC Award (Cultivation Certificate, if I recall it correctly!) from the OSCOV (Orchid Society Council Of Victoria).. The name 'Longford' is the clonal name given to that particular plant, and together with the certificate CC/OSCOV should be carried in the future for that plant and all divisions taken from it... As well, in case the plant is mericloned (not very common for slippers!), the mericlones should as well carry the same name (exception, when the mericlone is mutated to an extrem that it clearly differentiates from the original plant)

clonal names are given to identify individual plants. Not awarded plants can have clonal names, but awarded plants must have a clonal name, in order to ensure which is the particular plant receiving the award.

[Cewal]

Thanks, Ramón. Is it still a species?

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Btw, if you guys want to properly denote a natural hybrid it would look like the following:

Phalaenopsis x leucorrhoda

Phalaenopsis x gernotii

[camille1585]

Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:)

Btw, if you guys want to properly denote a natural hybrid it would look like the following:

Phalaenopsis x leucorrhoda

Phalaenopsis x gernotii

So the 'x' means that leucorrhoda was formed by 2 species? How do you know which they are? And if that's correct, if you make the cross yourself in cultivation, does the hybrid get names x leucorrhoda, or is it given a 'proper' hybrid name?

[Val]

Originally Posted by camille1585

So the 'x' means that leucorrhoda was formed by 2 species? How do you know which they are? And if that's correct, if you make the cross yourself in cultivation, does the hybrid get names x leucorrhoda, or is it given a 'proper' hybrid name?

Lots of details on the subject here:
Correct name of a primary hybrid