Explanation of Semi Hydro Orchid Growing

[TamiP]

I want to say a big "Thank You" Ray! I am just getting into orchids and have jumped in with both feet. I have everything ready to put most of them into S/H set-ups but have been really nervous because all of the information I have seen always says "depending on your conditions". I live in SE Texas right off the gulf so I am thinking our conditions are very similar differing only in that I probably won't get so cold in the winter. Since all my plants are in the house that shouldn't matter, right? Really excited to see your Oncidums in S/H because I saw a video saying it didn't work so well for them.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by TamiP

Really excited to see your Oncidums in S/H because I saw a video saying it didn't work so well for them.

Yet another testament to how deceiving or downright wrong videos can be, and how a well-meaning "conclusion" might not apply to "your" situation at all.

When I was developing semi-hydroponics, I grew in a warm greenhouse in PA. Now that I am in coastal, southeast NC, and have no greenhouse, I have to contend with very warm, humid summers, and moderate but dry indoor conditions in winter. I have, therefore, limited by collection to plants that can deal with both, and no longer grow my phalaenopsis in S/H due to the evaporative cooling in the dry indoors. My paphs and phrags, on the other hand, are doing great.

[cluelessmidwesterner]

Originally Posted by Ray

Yet another testament to how deceiving or downright wrong videos can be, and how a well-meaning "conclusion" might not apply to "your" situation at all.

When I was developing semi-hydroponics, I grew in a warm greenhouse in PA. Now that I am in coastal, southeast NC, and have no greenhouse, I have to contend with very warm, humid summers, and moderate but dry indoor conditions in winter. I have, therefore, limited by collection to plants that can deal with both, and no longer grow my phalaenopsis in S/H due to the evaporative cooling in the dry indoors. My paphs and phrags, on the other hand, are doing great.

Living here in Northern Midwest and in a turn of the century house, would it be feasible for me to do S/H? Or would it chill the plant too much due to the combination of evaporation and the cooler air temperature in the house especially on a very cold day/night below zero (not counting the windchills)? There are days in January/February some winters that it gets mighty chilly in the even in the house with the boiler working overtime trying to keep up.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by cluelessmidwesterner

Living here in Northern Midwest and in a turn of the century house, would it be feasible for me to do S/H? Or would it chill the plant too much due to the combination of evaporation and the cooler air temperature in the house especially on a very cold day/night below zero (not counting the windchills)? There are days in January/February some winters that it gets mighty chilly in the even in the house with the boiler working overtime trying to keep up.

That's going to depend upon what type of plant you want to grow. Stuff that likes it hot won't like the cold, wet feet.

But then again, many orchids wouldn't like that, no matter how it's grown.

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Originally Posted by TamiP

I have an Oncidium being shipped to me tomorrow for free as the seller went to ship it and found the main bulb shriveled. She is shipping it bare root and I was wondering if it would be okay to put it right into SH on a heat mat?

Certainly, but with the following caveats

• The fact that the plant is shriveled tells me you are starting with a weakened plant in the first place.
• No doubt the roots will not be great, and certainly wont be optimal for S/H culture.

Taken together, that lessens the chances of an easy conversion, but don't give up hope.

Any time you repot a plant, it stresses it, so don't think that getting it established in bark now is a better idea, then switching it later. That merely doubles the stress.

Soak the bare-root plant in KelpMax solution (1Tbsp/gal) overnight. Pot it up and water it in with that solution. Invert a clear plastic bag over the plant and pot, and place it on the heat mat somewhere shady (any direct sun will result in a "broil in bag" situation. The next two times you water it, use the KelpMax. After that, plain water only until new roots start growing into the medium.

[TamiP]

Perfect! I will do exactly that and keep my fingers crossed!
Thank you Ray!

[WaterWitchin]

Originally Posted by cluelessmidwesterner

Living here in Northern Midwest and in a turn of the century house, would it be feasible for me to do S/H? Or would it chill the plant too much due to the combination of evaporation and the cooler air temperature in the house especially on a very cold day/night below zero (not counting the windchills)? There are days in January/February some winters that it gets mighty chilly in the even in the house with the boiler working overtime trying to keep up.

I live in northeastern Kansas in a house built in 1907. Fifty some windows total, all but three original to the house. Pretty much all my orchids are in S/H. Most stay in the basement all winter, under lights. Unfinished basement with thick stone walls. Temps at night go below 60, daytime 65 to 68 depending on outside weather. Around end of December I put an electric heater in that area, and it runs at 68 during the day and is off at night. I grow/bloom Catt, Bulbo, phrag, paph, Blc, Zygo, Onc, Tol, Cymb, Psychopsis, etc; in other words, wide variety.

There's a fan, a mist system over certain (a vanda, Tolumnia, etc) that goes off for 30 seconds three times a day. I've yet to have a problem heatwise. Having said that, I've killed orchids over the past twentysome years. Likely the ones that couldn't stand my culture of them.

Oh... and I keep phals upstairs for the most part, other than the few that are mounted. When I kept them in the basement I used a couple of seedling heat mats. They live upstairs now because I have a place for them that nosy dogs can't reach. Upstairs temps 68 day, 65 night.

Short answer: Why not give it a try?

[cluelessmidwesterner]

Originally Posted by WaterWitchin

I live in northeastern Kansas in a house built in 1907. Fifty some windows total, all but three original to the house. Pretty much all my orchids are in S/H. <snip>

Oh... and I keep phals upstairs for the most part, other than the few that are mounted. When I kept them in the basement I used a couple of seedling heat mats. They live upstairs now because I have a place for them that nosy dogs can't reach. Upstairs temps 68 day, 65 night.

Short answer: Why not give it a try?

It sounds interesting.

Whilst I do have two nosy canines, they're not the ones I would need to worry about. They're only 11" at the withers. It's the four indoor cats that would be the problem. Especially if they discover an available heat mat.

The Cardis and the cats have an agreement. The cats get to counter surf and sample anything the foolish male humans have left out on the counter as long as they push off the edge so the dogs can have some.

[cluelessmidwesterner]

I have toying with the idea of repotting my mini Phal I purchased earlier this week into s/h (see small Phal questions in Beginner Dissuasion for photos/description). I have poked holes in a single row around middle the cheap plastic liner for now.

From what I have read from Ray's website the "transplant shock" in theory would be minimal going from moss to s/h. It would also help take a little of the guesswork out of watering for me since it since it's watering needs due to the small size than a larger Phal.

It is in flower/bud presently and the moss is packed tight. I understand I have to wait until I see new roots forming since the Phal has to adjust to all the changes in environment/care.

My concern now is my inexperience in general, with moss in particular (watering inexperience) and with how tightly packed the moss is. I keep wondering if there is something minimally invasive proactively that I can do now to help protect the root zone until new root growth begins with longer days/warmer weather. I know its up to the plant and what I do but I would like try to prevent a problem **if** I am able.