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orchidsarefun 04-24-2015 07:34 AM

Orchid Seed-Capsule Data
 
excellent resource, and worthy of being a 'sticky'

Orchid_Seed_Maturity

Ray 04-24-2015 09:51 AM

That's great - however...

One caveat: those are fine as guidelines, but not firm "schedules".

Use those to give you an idea of the 'window" to start looking very carefully at the capsules (I start much earlier), and if you see any sign of yellowing - usually starting at the ends - then THAT'S the time to harvest the green capsule.

DeaC 08-09-2015 01:13 PM

Not sure where to post this but here goes. Are seed pods all the same shape on all orchids? I'm not into propagating but I recognize a pod on Epidendrum nocturnum and on a Thrixspermum a pencil-shaped growth has come from end of a spike that bloomed but seems to have more buds at tip. I haven't a camera but any info or interest would be great!

orchidsarefun 08-14-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeaC (Post 767154)
Not sure where to post this but here goes. Are seed pods all the same shape on all orchids? I'm not into propagating but I recognize a pod on Epidendrum nocturnum and on a Thrixspermum a pencil-shaped growth has come from end of a spike that bloomed but seems to have more buds at tip. I haven't a camera but any info or interest would be great!

Zygo's, miltoniopsis, paphs and phals that I have propagated all had that typical cigar/pencil shaped pod. A mini-catt was different in that it had a bead-shaped pod.

DeaC 08-15-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by orchidsarefun (Post 767858)
Zygo's, miltoniopsis, paphs and phals that I have propagated all had that typical cigar/pencil shaped pod. A mini-catt was different in that it had a bead-shaped pod.

:waving TY! The only pods I had seen were the more rounded shape such as on the Epi. nocturnum so I guess what's on the Thrix. is a pod! Cool!

mehrnaz 07-14-2020 04:44 AM

info about pods and seeds are required
 
hi everybody
I am not sure if I am posting this correctly. its a first time posting on forum and its a bit confusing

does anyone know about jewel orchid macodes petola? does they also produce pods or capsule? and if the answer is yes does anyone know where I can get them ordered?

Bulbopedilum 07-14-2020 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mehrnaz (Post 929149)
hi everybody
I am not sure if I am posting this correctly. its a first time posting on forum and its a bit confusing

does anyone know about jewel orchid macodes petola? does they also produce pods or capsule? and if the answer is yes does anyone know where I can get them ordered?

Welcome to the forums!

Yes, all orchids produce seed capsules and all have very small seeds that look like dust (Although I believe there are some mycoheterotrophic orchids that have some larger seeds), so Macodes petola also does.

Does no one sell the plant itself / a cutting in your country? Seed germination can be tricky and takes months of time.

estación seca 07-14-2020 05:12 PM

Welcome to the Orchid Board!

I don't know where to get jewel orchid seeds. I have never seen it offered for sale.

mehrnaz 07-15-2020 07:33 AM

thanks for information

unfortunately I couldn't find anyone having this variety in Iran yet. I have been searching for this plant for mounts now and I couldn't get it yet. that's why I decided to search for pods that at least can be posted to Iran.

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Thanks dear
hope I can get the plant and pod

prezetter 01-22-2024 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeaC (Post 767154)
Not sure where to post this but here goes. Are seed pods all the same shape on all orchids? I'm not into propagating but I recognize a pod on Epidendrum nocturnum and on a Thrixspermum a pencil-shaped growth has come from end of a spike that bloomed but seems to have more buds at tip. I haven't a camera but any info or interest would be great!

I know this is 10 years later, and likely the OP or others have learned the answer or something else, but the short answer is YES. I have been breeding orchids for about 5 years now, and every genera has very distinct fruit formation, and even within a single genus, there can be wildly different forms taken by the fruit while it is both maturing and approaching dehiscence.

In fact, there are even some species that can be identified by their fruits more easily than any other characteristics (outside of DNA analysis).

Of some of the most common genera, there are some cosistencies:
- Brassavola: Varies slightly from species to species, but usually "straightens" after pollination and swells almost perfectly centered between the column tip and point of attachment to peduncle. Stays "slim" and only puffs out closer toward end of maturation when filled with seed.
- Catasetum: Large, balloon-like fruits with copius seeds. Hard as rock, just like their female flowers, and appearing similar to iris fruit (a distant relative).
- Cattleya: Large, straight fruit with very prominent "wings" in a trimerous organization along the length of the capsule.
- Epidendrum: My experiences are limited to just a handful of reed-stems of the 1200+ species, but they usually produce comically large fruit for the size of the flower (sometimes 15-20 times larger in my collection, though still small overall.
- Habenaria: No appreciable change in size from just before pollination to harvest, as most terrestrials. Heavily ridged in most cases and slender. Produces seeds usually within 1-2 months, rarely longer.
- Ludisia/jewels: The unfertilized capsules are roughly the size they will be if pollinated and brought to harvest. Spindly, soft, and thinly-walled, they are filled with air for most of the maturation time and can be mistaken for "duds" until right before they are ready for harvest, which can be as little as a month.
- Phalaenopsis: Another, highly-diverse genus, lending toward variation between sections/subgenera. Polychilos is the most notable, as not only do they get much larger than the original ovary compared to other sections, they generally don't wilt their sepals/petals and instead revert those tissues back into leaf-like, photosynthetic structures!
- Zygopetalum: These fruits also won't get too much larger compared to the pre-pollination size, but are very "juicy" and succulent, making them quite prone to snapping if handled improperly.

Hope this helps someone in the future!


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