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Old 12-24-2018, 02:28 PM
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Ya I do order with repotme! Kelleys Korner is great too I just feel like for where I am in orchid growing and understanding media etc, repot me is easier for me because they do offer many types of Phal mixes that already have everything you want. Great variety basically and very good at explaining why you would choose one item over another. But! You are in a pinch and trying to pinch pennies so that's something you can look into into and work towards in the future.

And moss wise I am no expert! That is overall the right type of moss you want definitely over the decorative green moss. The main thing is just trying to get it clean first which will be a little more challenging. If your Home Depot has the better grow moss that may be a better option just because it seems like more orchid growers have used it successfully in a pinch or when they were starting. Tried and true basically! You can even in the future get top notch New Zealand "spagnum" moss on Amazon from begrow I believe for like $7-$10. Just primarily make sure you don't pack it too tight for the orchid!

Now I have done LOTS of orchid research in my days but not very much other research so I cannot tell you too much about the other plant! It is a cutie though and overall looks quite healthy! Personally, if it is an indoor plant, I would repot it. Partially because the moss it's planted in looks more like decor moss in pretty bad shape AND because of the unknown bug factor and me not wanting that in the house!

I definitely think it should be ok! It seems very well established! And most plants aren't as persnickety as orchids so overall I would just play around with more and less watering and more and less sun until you see some improvement and find what works for you! You definitely have the wiggle room to play around with it until you find a happy point!
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Old 12-24-2018, 02:52 PM
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Whitetippytoes, welcome to the board! I'm not sure why you say in your most recent post above that you have decided to repot into moss instead of bark, but it's a personal choice, really. Many here on the board use sphagnum moss, many don't. I have all of my Phals in medium-size bark chunks, and that is what I've had the best luck with so far. I'm still not sure what yours is potted in now. I can't tell from the pictures.

Adequate ventilation and drainage are very important in choosing a pot. That is why many people put them in pots that have lots of drainage holes at the bottom, and, oftentimes, slits on the sides, as well, like this (just an example to show what kind of pot I am talking about):

https://www.amazon.com/Slotted-Clear...ted+orchid+pot

Look around, as prices vary a lot, and don't forget to figure in shipping costs.

For larger, heavier plants, many of us will put these plastic pots with the holes into a larger cache pot, usually ceramic or clay, to minimize the tipping hazards.

As to your particular Phal, it has an abundance of aerial roots! I would not try to force those down into a pot. They have grown and adapted to the air. I personally like the look of aerial roots. If your home has low humidity, as mine does, you may want to help keep those aerial roots plump and healthy by occasionally spritzing them with a spray bottle. I do that every time I water, but also sometimes in between waterings. I have found that aerial roots will tend to get thin and dry in my house if I don't.

I would leave that spike be and not try to stake it now. It's got some nice buds and you will have flowers soon. Forcing it to bend to a different angle now could be detrimental.
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Mountaineer i was thinking bark originally because it seems common to use. I may as well buy both bark and moss. As the other two plants I received seem, one other seem to be planted in moss and bark (plant with the pink bow) last night, I examine the phal some more with a flash light and notice moss inside the orchid plant. Damp moss

. Thank you so much for reassuring me to keep the air roots out. Would you suggest I need to repot the phal immediately? Or shall I wait until it blooms / finishes blooming? Just leave the plant alone for now? I feel like playing it safe then sorry. I’m so new at this might as well take it as a lost either way if I decide to repot or not so soon before it blooms?

Today, I spoke with a friend who recommended I repot all three of new plants. It was obvious to him the roots are outgrowing.

will order the clear pot and wait for it arrival before repoting

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Old 12-24-2018, 05:04 PM
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Welcome to the Orchid Board!

You have a Phalaenopsis. It is possible all the living roots are out in the air, if it hasn't been repotted in a long time.

You can read a lot about them here on Orchid Board. From the left yellow menu select Forums, then Beginners. Look near the top for the sticky thread The Phal abuse ends here.
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:04 PM
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Mountaineer i was thinking bark originally because it seems common to use. I may as well buy both bark and moss. As the other two plants I received seem, one other seem to be planted in moss and bark (plant with the pink bow) last night, I examine the phal some more with a flash light and notice moss inside the orchid plant. Damp moss

. Thank you so much for reassuring me to keep the air roots out. Would you suggest I need to repot the phal immediately? Or shall I wait until it blooms / finishes blooming? Just leave the plant alone for now? I feel like playing it safe then sorry. I’m so new at this might as well take it as a lost either way if I decide to repot or not so soon before it blooms?

Today, I spoke with a friend who recommended I repot all three of new plants. It was obvious to him the roots are outgrowing.

will order the clear pot and wait for it arrival before repoting
Did we determine if that pot it is in now has any ventilation holes? If not, I would probably repot sooner rather than later. But if the inner pot has holes -- or even one good-sized hole at the bottom, I might think twice. The outer cache pot almost certainly has no holes, and it appears to be a tight fit with the inner pot inside there, so it's probably not getting much air or much chance for the roots in the pot -- if there are any -- to dry a bit between waterings. If you elect not to repot now, it may be better to remove it from that outer pot and just place the inner pot on a saucer for drainage.

Yes, as ES says above, it's very possible there are no healthy roots on the inside, and that's maybe even why it has so many aerial roots.

If it's in moss, like you say, you should be able to lift it gently up out of its pot just enough to see what's actually in there. If you see healthy roots, just set it back in and you're probably okay until after it blooms. If you see no roots or only brown and mushy roots, you're probably better off to repot now, even if you do risk losing the buds.

Remember, a Phalaenopsis can be in bloom for several months. Many people will tell you they are a hardy plant and can be repotted at any time, blooming or not. I've never had to do that, but if I was in a position of trying to save a neglected plant, I'd not worry about the blooms and just do what was best for the long-term health of the plant.
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:56 PM
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Update,

Today I have purchased stagnum moss
Thank to you ladies, lol I Built the nerves to finally lift the plant out the pot and to my surprise it is already in a clear container! Very surprised sorry to be such a Nervous noobie. There are no slits on the size of clear contains but a small hole at the bottom
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Old 12-24-2018, 09:38 PM
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Wow, that plant has some healthy roots, both inside and outside of the pot! You may get a variety of opinions on what to do now, but here's what I would do, totally respecting that others may offer different advice.

I don't think that plant is in any distress, other than it clearly is outgrowing the pot it is in. For now, since it is in bud, I would eliminate the middle pot it was in and simply place that clear plastic pot back in the red pot, assuming that there is a little bit of space between the two pots to allow some air flow. If not, find a slightly larger cache pot. Then, after it has bloomed and you've acquired a larger pot to put it into, carefully cut the clear plastic pot from the root ball. There's no way you'd ever pull it out of the pot without damaging a lot of roots, so you need to cut the pot away.

While you're enjoying your beautiful Phal flowers, you can peruse the thread previously linked by estacion seca, "The Phal Abuse Stops Here." You'll learn a lot there, and you will find that people do have some differing opinions on care and culture, but it all comes down to each of us learning what works best for our plants, in our particular growing conditions. Best of luck to you!
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Old 12-24-2018, 09:53 PM
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Wow, that plant has some healthy roots, both inside and outside of the pot! You may get a variety of opinions on what to do now, but here's what I would do, totally respecting that others may offer different advice.

I don't think that plant is in any distress, other than it clearly is outgrowing the pot it is in. For now, since it is in bud, I would eliminate the middle pot it was in and simply place that clear plastic pot back in the red pot, assuming that there is a little bit of space between the two pots to allow some air flow. If not, find a slightly larger cache pot. Then, after it has bloomed and you've acquired a larger pot to put it into, carefully cut the clear plastic pot from the root ball. There's no way you'd ever pull it out of the pot without damaging a lot of roots, so you need to cut the pot away.

While you're enjoying your beautiful Phal flowers, you can peruse the thread previously linked by estacion seca, "The Phal Abuse Stops Here." You'll learn a lot there, and you will find that people do have some differing opinions on care and culture, but it all comes down to each of us learning what works best for our plants, in our particular growing conditions. Best of luck to you!

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I placed the clear pot and use a little moss to help center it and cover any big space/gaps. I use the moss I just purchased to cover the roots I felt protudin growing out the pot.
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I bet you money that the plant hasn't been repotted since purchasing it at a store. Idk MAYBE it has but normally this is the exact container they sell Phals at in stores! BUT those are the same containers that are very flexible and easy to use a knife and cut more little slits into! I have even done it with the plant still in the pot...VERY carefully....yours however looks like it is definitely kinda busting out of its pot so it would not be quite as easy to cut slits in the sides while the orchid is in it! Probably pretty impossible without damaging the roots!

Now orchid wise, those roots look WAY better then expected! Which is super good! They do look yellow but that's just from it getting light! If the plant isn't too top heavy and unstable I might try to leave it out of all the other pots for a little while to help those bottom roots dry out because they look more wet? At least from what I can see!

It does make me wonder why the top roots were so haggard looking! Maybe it just was covered with some green decor moss and was kinda suffocated to start!

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I do agree that it probably is fine to just bloom for now! Honestly, Phals aren't THAT picky about when to repot but....because she does obviously have PLENTY of healthy roots for now, she is in bud, and your new so the first repot probably won't be picture perfect (which is totally OK!) I probably also would wait!

I would let her bloom and just make sure she gets air flow around her like Mountaineer commented and primarily that she isn't sitting in any water but has plenty of time to drip dry when watering before returning her to the decor pot!

Then towards the end of her flowering, just keep an eye out for new little green root tips! At the first sign of new root growth repot that girl up a size!

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I bet you money that the plant hasn't been repotted since purchasing it at a store. Idk MAYBE it has but normally this is the exact container they sell Phals at in stores! BUT those are the same containers that are very flexible and easy to use a knife and cut more little slits into! I have even done it with the plant still in the pot...VERY carefully....yours however looks like it is definitely kinda busting out of its pot so it would not be quite as easy to cut slits in the sides while the orchid is in it! Probably pretty impossible without damaging the roots!

Now orchid wise, those roots look WAY better then expected! Which is super good! They do look yellow but that's just from it getting light! If the plant isn't too top heavy and unstable I might try to leave it out of all the other pots for a little while to help those bottom roots dry out because they look more wet? At least from what I can see!

It does make me wonder why the top roots were so haggard looking! Maybe it just was covered with some green decor moss and was kinda suffocated to start!

---------- Post added at 08:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:32 PM ----------

I do agree that it probably is fine to just bloom for now! Honestly, Phals aren't THAT picky about when to repot but....because she does obviously have PLENTY of healthy roots for now, she is in bud, and your new so the first repot probably won't be picture perfect (which is totally OK!) I probably also would wait!

I would let her bloom and just make sure she gets air flow around her like Mountaineer commented and primarily that she isn't sitting in any water but has plenty of time to drip dry when watering before returning her to the decor pot!

Then towards the end of her flowering, just keep an eye out for new little green root tips! At the first sign of new root growth repot that girl up a size!
Hi Emma. I bought some sphagnum moss at Home Depot. I placed a tiny bit of it in red pot and placed the clear pot in the center of the red. I then added a little bit of moss to loosely pack any big gap and spaces. Covered the leaves roots as much as I can. Here is a photo ..: I then water the plant some more so the moss is not completely dry and so the phal’s and moss is now slightly damp , moist.

I’m ashame to say I sort of buried and covered the roots surrounding the clear contain with moss. Crossing my fingers the inner roots won’t get to damaged because of the crusty and old moss. Lastly I then watered and pour out the excess water in order to moisten to moss I just bought. Hoping I didn’t over do it because originally as you mentioned, the roots was already a tiny bit wet. Including the potting mix. I’m thinking of buying some New Zealand moss because the moss I purchase at Home Depot is extremely dry and looks very dead dark brown color. Not sure if I bought a dried out bag, if there’s such thing? Lol I like the vibrant colors New Zealand moss seem to offer. Thank you for this tip and all your contribution. I really appreciate you for everything ❤️👌🏻
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It looks like you lucked out with a really healthy plant! Personally, I’d leave the top dressing of moss off (unless it doesn’t impede pulling the inner pot). Until you get a watering regime down, you’re going to want to be able to frequently look at the roots through the clear pot. Having substrate against the leaf bases also invites rot.
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