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Old 09-01-2021, 03:15 PM
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I live next to a field. Nomally they don't come inside but this little fella decided to try his luck. How could anyone hurt this one.
If it was a house mouse I wouldn't release it as they are a pest but this guy just got lost so he will go free.
I used sunflower seeds. I discovered they love sunflower seeds (and peanuts apparently) but the sunflowers got this one instantly.
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Old 09-01-2021, 04:55 PM
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I live next to a field. Nomally they don't come inside but this little fella decided to try his luck. How could anyone hurt this one.
If it was a house mouse I wouldn't release it as they are a pest but this guy just got lost so he will go free.
I used sunflower seeds. I discovered they love sunflower seeds (and peanuts apparently) but the sunflowers got this one instantly.
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Old 09-02-2021, 09:22 AM
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Late to the party here but wanted to reassure DC that I have NEVER, EVER been 'on the fence' as to the best method to deal with iguanas and curly tails near my orchids! And I mean NEVER!
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Please don't drown rodents. It's a horrible way to die. Good-quality snap traps are much more humane, they kill the animal instantly in the vast majority of cases.

It's not a pest animal's fault that it's a pest. All animals deserve the respect of a humane death. So-called "humane" live traps aren't necessarily a good option, because they leave someone with a live, scared pest that needs to be killed, as relocation is often impractical or outright cruel. The most humane trap is one that kills the animal as quickly as possible, without letting it suffer.


this post kept bothering me throughout the day and i have since removed the bucket traps....it is annoying bc they are cheap and effective and i have to do something but your words stung me because they smacked me with truth.




so redoubled my research and remounted the a24s on moveable blocks and started placing them in weird places to trick the rats.

last night the first spot was ON TOP of the lath house....this morning there is a lot of blood and two rat tails.....i think the neighbor's cat is going to like me
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I'm glad to hear that. The bucket traps are certainly effective, it's a shame they can't be made more humane. At least it's a bit better than those sticky traps, urgh- those things kill everything that walks into them, and can take days.

For the snap traps, peanut butter is an excellent bait. A lot of oily foods have a good chance, but peanut butter is particularly reliable. Sunflower seeds are also strong (they're often stolen out of birdseed by opportunistic rodents), but are harder to keep on the trap.
This guy tested baits for mice, with a dash of rat testing:


You can also try leaving the traps along walls. Rodents often run right up against the wall to move around the room. Setting two traps with their backs against each other, so that a rat coming from either direction will run right into the trap, can be really effective. It may even catch them without any bait, if they aren't wary enough of the trap.
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this post kept bothering me throughout the day and i have since removed the bucket traps....
I don't like the idea of them drowning - takes 20 minutes for them to die but on the grand scheme of things I don't think you should feel guilty at all.

If I was in your situation I would still use the bucket but don't let them drown. Then either place them in a box with a snap trap or practice your baseball skills with rats as a ball.

It might catch on and they could have ratball olympics although that might be going a bit too far when it comes to doing it the most humane way.

This year I had to put down 4 unwanted cockerels. Having raised them from little chicks that is harder than dispatching an unwanted pest.

As a sidenote, I have more than 1 mouse. Still to be determined how much of a problem but my plan of relocating might be off the table if this turns into a mouse plague problem.
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Old 09-02-2021, 01:14 PM
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Rats are known to tread water for up to 48 hours before eventually succumbing to exhaustion and drowning. And drowning in itself is an agonizing death. We have evidence of that from people who've nearly died of drowning and have been revived.

I don't think putting them in a box with a snap trap would be a good idea. They'd be running around frantically, and could run over the trap wrong and wind up horribly injured but not dying.

Blunt injury can be a humane way to kill an animal, but you have to be able to destroy the brain instantly for it to be clean. I've killed fatally injured lizards (from cat attacks) by placing them on a sidewalk, covering them in a paper towel to keep them calm, and using a brick on the head, but it has to be one swift, clean, confident motion, and I wouldn't be confident that it could be done properly with something the size and wiggliness of a rat.

Cervical dislocation is a humane way to kill rodents when done properly, but is mostly used by people raising domestic rodents as animal food, and would probably be difficult to do with a wild rat.

Carbon monoxide can theoretically be used, but requires some precautions to be humane, and also to be safe for the humans involved. Carbon monoxide technically kills by suffocation, by replacing the oxygen in the blood with carbon monoxide. However, the body measures need to breathe by amount of carbon dioxide in the blood, rather than amount of oxygen. Carbon dioxide overdose causes panic and a feeling of suffocation, carbon monoxide doesn't. That's what makes car exhaust trapped in an enclosed area so deadly- a person in carbon monoxide will feel tired, then eventually pass out, without ever knowing anything is wrong. We've also had people revived from almost dying of /that/, and as such have first-hand accounts of it not being particularly unpleasant. The trick is figuring out how to do it without just flooding the rodents in car exhaust contamination and heat that burns their lungs. Not the best method in many cases, but an improvement over drowning if done right.

And then, of course, the best way to deal with rodents is to not have things that rodents want. You can kill all the rats you can trap, and if they're still being brought in, you'll never be rid of them. That means putting food in containers they can't get into, putting edible plants up out of reach, blocking up whatever holes they're using to get in, and otherwise making the area as inhospitable as possible for them. For outdoor areas, attracting nonvenomous snakes can also be useful- aside from directly eating the rodents, their smell will scare rodents away. Plus, you get to see neat snakes. Another bit of natural control is to put up an owl house. If you get lucky and have owls nest there, they'll catch hundreds of rodents a season to feed their babies.
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the trap i have is incredible. i won two in a raffle and if i were rich id have 10...

it is a pneumatic actuated cylinder that smashed their head when they trip the trigger. self resets 24 times and nothing holds the rat so predators and scavengers can find and remove it.

i tested it with bamboo (dried) and it crushed up to 3/4" with authority. there is no struggle or pain for the rodent


i honestly hate having to kill the rats because it is their yard too, in a sense, but it is the burden of the farmer/gardener that they want what i am growing.

I have at least two resident screech owls, they rule and they help


i also do my best to keep anything that might attract them anywhere except the "bone yard" since there is no way to avoid the attraction there and it is also beneficial since they do the clean up
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This is a slightly disturbing, but legitimate discussion.

In my hoop style greenhouse, we have problems with rodents; primarily field mice, deer mice and southern lemmings. The latter have eaten $3-4,000 worth of Cymbidium, Paphiopedilum & Cattleya over the past year.

The mice readily go for small snap traps.

The much larger southern lemming will occasionally go for peanut butter in a rat size snap trap. I have also caught another few in buckets (baited with slices of apples), but neither method gets to the bottom of the problem.

I would prefer something humane (quick), but I can't afford to keep the lemmings in food. Any other suggestions?

PS. Cats are not the answer, as I am not at the greenhouse every day.
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Pack rats can easily escape from sticky traps.
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