Help Understanding an ID tag

[uwodahikamama]

So I have a question about an id tag on my orchid.
I attached a picture. From what I understand I thought it was Paph philippinensis Henry Walburn x a sibling plant of the same name.
Did I misread this? Someone commented that I misread the tag, that the plant is actually Paph philippinensis and that the clonal name of the sibling is Mem. Henry Walburn. But I’m not sure what that means? how exactly does Henry Walburn fit into this equation and if it isn’t part of the actual name of the plant then why is it on the tag??

Edit to add: in case the tag is difficult to read, it says:
Paph philippinense x sib ‘Mem Henry Walburn’

[estación seca]

Labels should be written to be unambiguous. The tag is unfortunately not written clearly. If taken as written it could mean an unspecified clone of Paph. phillipinense was used as the pod parent and Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn' was used as the seed parent. Normally the pod parent is written first.

But it could also mean you have an offset or mericlone of Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn', which I don't think is the case.

I suspect your plant is more likely Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn' crossed with another Paph. phillipinense.

A sibling usually means any other clone of the same species or hybrid cross. Whether one or more parent or parents has/have a clonal name has no effect on the cross name of the progeny. So Paph. phillipinense 'Clone A' x sib 'Clone B' would yield Paph. phillipinense seedlings without clonal names.

Adding the parent clonal name to label is a way to communicate the hybridizer thinks it is a better quality parent so the progeny may be of better quality.

[uwodahikamama]

Originally Posted by estación seca

Labels should be written to be unambiguous. The tag is unfortunately not written clearly. If taken as written it could mean an unspecified clone of Paph. phillipinense was used as the pod parent and Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn' was used as the seed parent. Normally the pod parent is written first.

But it could also mean you have an offset or mericlone of Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn', which I don't think is the case.

I suspect your plant is more likely Paph. phillipinense 'Memoria Henry Walburn' crossed with another Paph. phillipinense.

A sibling usually means any other clone of the same species or hybrid cross. Whether one or more parent or parents has/have a clonal name has no effect on the cross name of the progeny. So Paph. phillipinense 'Clone A' x sib 'Clone B' would yield Paph. phillipinense seedlings without clonal names.

Adding the parent clonal name to label is a way to communicate the hybridizer thinks it is a better quality parent so the progeny may be of better quality.

Honestly it’s all a little over my head, but I do want to make sure I’m calling things what they are.
I emailed the person who sold it to me to see if they could clarify. I am very curious to see exactly what this is now!

[estación seca]

If that person is a retailer who bought it from a wholesale grower the retailer may not know.

[uwodahikamama]

Originally Posted by estación seca

If that person is a retailer who bought it from a wholesale grower the retailer may not know.

I found the grower and emailed them, I just hope they get back to me.

[Louis_W]

Confusing tag...

I found the awarded plant which is possibly one of the parents. I'll include the picture

Since clonal names and awards don't pass to the progeny your plant could be called simply : Paph philippinense. It's always nice to know the pedigree though...

[tmoney]

Originally Posted by Louis_W

Since clonal names and awards don't pass to the progeny ..

really? i was unaware of that. perhaps i am misunderstanding. could you please elaborate on that one a bit? thanks!

[estación seca]

The quality award is to the one plant. Its seed progeny don't start life with awards. Its mericlones are considered like divisions, so they carry the award.

[Louis_W]

It's like if my mom was an Olympic gold medalist. Just because I'm her son doesn't mean I'm also a gold medalist. The good news is her genes are in me so I might have potential to get a gold medal myself. I still have to go do it and prove myself.

Your tag (confusingly) tries to show you that your plant has valuable and proven parents which might make it more likely to be high quality.

Until you bloom the plant and get it awarded yourself your plant will technically be Paph philippinense.

[uwodahikamama]

Originally Posted by Louis_W

It's like if my mom was an Olympic gold medalist. Just because I'm her son doesn't mean I'm also a gold medalist. The good news is her genes are in me so I might have potential to get a gold medal myself. I still have to go do it and prove myself.

Your tag (confusingly) tries to show you that your plant has valuable and proven parents which might make it more likely to be high quality.

Until you bloom the plant and get it awarded yourself your plant will technically be Paph philippinense.

That makes perfect sense, thank you so much for explaining! I had no idea this was a thing until now.
How do I know if this happens again and they’re listing something like that again?