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Old 11-15-2021, 06:29 AM
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Hello.
I apologise in advance if this has been asked before.

I got my Dendrobium nobile in September for my bday.

It only had one flower left and one main cain that was having leaves.

I am new to the plant and did a bit of research and wanted to follow advice on winter care.

I didn’t fertilise as it was already October and just watered but then noticed it got a new growth of cain and leaves from
the bottom of the soil and now a new growth on the existing cain.

It sits on my windowsill and we only started using heating once in the morning but the radiator is under that window sill.

I was thinking of moving it into colder part of the house like my pantry but not I am unsure of what to do with it still being active and growing.

Is it not going to have a rest period?

The temperature In the room varies from 17 c to 20 c during day and at night it can get to 16 c.

If anyone could advise on what’s the best care for my environment please I would really appreciate.
I could post some photos for reference too.

Thank you
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Old 11-15-2021, 03:56 PM
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Orchids requiring a cool, dry winter rest -

I grew as many as 75 orchids inhome for 20 years while living in AK, specializing in species Dendrobiums that were touted to require a cool, dry winter rest.
Most were native to the Himalayan Foothills.

Species are more difficult to deal with than hybrids.
Their cultivation requirements are usually more stringent.
To be honest, I am a species snob, and preferred them to hybrids.
I now live in Hawaii, on the windward side of Big Island with high humidity, warmer temps, and grow many of the same plants as well as others in my yard now.

Because of the local orchid industry, species plants are hard to find here.
Hybrids are everywhere.

While in AK, I followed the cool, dry, winter rest routine religiously, often to the point of being abusive to them:
to dry, too long.
Here in HI, I just throw them outdoors to see how they do and forget them, occasionally looking to see how they're holding up.

We do normally get a winter dry period of a few weeks, as many as 7, often as few as a couple.
I don't track anything less than 2 weeks.
In those winter dry periods, we do get morning dew almost every day with rain occasionally at night.

I am at 750' of elevation, which does modify our temps and humidity.
Summer temps are usually in the low 70*s to the high 90*s.
It rains often both day and night.

Winter temps are usually in the mid 60*s to low 90*s.
Humidity is in the very high 90% RH at night and as low as 65% RH during the day.
Local temps are easily within a normal household range.
Humidity will need to be worked with to approximate, but that's normal for indoor growing.

I've lost many more orchids to eruption effects than to climate.
My only real problem is not being able to get the variety of species I'd like to acquire.

Watering in the dry period is very dependent on humidity, how fast the medium dries out.
It needs to dry out some but not get totally dry, only restricted.
Dry period should begin after the PB has filled out completely, it's growing tip has filled and rounded out.
Leaves will drop from the canes.
In nature, dry periods can last for months.
Inhome, a couple of weeks late in the season can suffice.
Reducing the temps can be much more effective inducing bud development.
Some require a very small drop, others need a bigger drop in temp.
None tolerate freezing temps.
Do not cut water back so far that the PBs are harmed by the water shortage.

Always remember: orchids are pretty tough, they can be abused somewhat without serious harm while figuring it out.

The Baker's book - ORCHID SPECIES CULTURE: Dedndrobium: now out of print for a number of years, but still available, was and still is my Dendrobium bible for their growing conditions.

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Old 11-15-2021, 04:02 PM
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Thank you for your time and in depth information there.

But in a language of a total beginner what will be the best way to care for the orchid in my home and my environment.

I’m in uk and putting it outside would mean lots of rain for it.
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Old 11-15-2021, 05:21 PM
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As I was writing up my previous post I knew it was going to be confusing for a newbie, but couldn't stop myself.

OK, it's winter now.
You will not be putting it outside.
It's too cold.

In Brittan you keep your house temps a bit cooler than normally done here. Although, I did keep cooler winter temps in AK.

16C = 61F
17C = 63F
20C = 68F

Your temps are probably good enough, although day temps into the 70*s [71* to 72*] may be better for the temp difference to induce blooming.
They usually say 15*F or more difference day/night. But, I've found 10*F to be adequate.

You say you have a Nobile.
I assume it's a hubrid, probably with a high tolerance to differences in temps.
It has bloomed already this winter.
You will not need to worry about blooming preparation until next winter.
Until then all you need to do is keep it alive.
Give it water but don't drown it, feed it lightly but not too much, give it as much light as you can in a house window without doing any harm, hard to do in a northern winter window, east windows are best, not as hot.
The radiator under the window could be a problem.

There, how's that?
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:30 AM
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That’s great, thank you so much for your help.

I will be moving it when radiator comes on to make sure it doesn’t get harmed by heat.
At the moment we don’t really put them on yet as it’s not too cold but I’m sure this won’t last much longer.

I’m hoping to see the blooms next year , fingers crossed.

Thank you again for your time and help🙂
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