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Old 05-16-2011, 12:55 PM
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Hello friends, thanks for appreciating! This orchid has pbulbs about 45cm tall and is planted in a pot with about 30cm in diameter (weighing many pounds!). Interestingly, another clone of the same cross (Blc Goldenzelle 'Lemmon Chiffon') is much smaller, with pbulbos not exceeding 30cm in height.

As for orchids name changes, I've been more radical in defense of traditional names, but today I have a more favorable position to the tendency to "spliting" the very large genera (Dendrobium, Bulbophyllum, Pleurothallis) into smaller and more homogeneous groups, it seems quite logical. In contrast, the "lumping" genera in largest and heterogeneous groups is completely useless and pointless (such as including Brazilian Laelia in the "Sophronitis" genus and then delete this too, putting everything in "Cattleya"), it goes in the opposite direction to the evolution and differentiation of species, sometime in the future all the cattleyoides will become "Epidendrum", and later all the orchids will be "Orchis". Ridiculous.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:54 PM
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Amen, Frederico. Well said.

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Old 05-16-2011, 05:11 PM
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Nice blooms! Amazing color combination!
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Old 05-16-2011, 05:47 PM
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Hello friends, thanks for appreciating! This orchid has pbulbs about 45cm tall and is planted in a pot with about 30cm in diameter (weighing many pounds!). Interestingly, another clone of the same cross (Blc Goldenzelle 'Lemmon Chiffon') is much smaller, with pbulbos not exceeding 30cm in height.

As for orchids name changes, I've been more radical in defense of traditional names, but today I have a more favorable position to the tendency to "spliting" the very large genera (Dendrobium, Bulbophyllum, Pleurothallis) into smaller and more homogeneous groups, it seems quite logical. In contrast, the "lumping" genera in largest and heterogeneous groups is completely useless and pointless (such as including Brazilian Laelia in the "Sophronitis" genus and then delete this too, putting everything in "Cattleya"), it goes in the opposite direction to the evolution and differentiation of species, sometime in the future all the cattleyoides will become "Epidendrum", and later all the orchids will be "Orchis". Ridiculous.
Hello Frederico,

People do not like change even if the changes are correct and are made by those who have the authority to make changes. Changing classification of orchids is like putting in new parking regulations some drivers will not like them but if all do not.

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Old 05-16-2011, 05:49 PM
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Hello Frederico,

People do not like change even if the changes are correct and are made by those who have the authority to make changes. Changing classification of orchids is like putting in new parking regulations some drivers will not like them but if all do not obey chaos will result.

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Chaos is nota s good as order
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:17 PM
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beautiful blooms, Frederico!

My two cents on the nomenclature - many of us on the board are just hobby growers, and mostly just want to know how best to grow our plants, and I, at least, don't follow the changes to classification much. I do try to get things right, and if I don't, I am not offended if someone points out to me the new name for the genus, but I'm likely to forget it in the future. Some of the Catt alliance species have been re-classified more than once in a fairly short period of time, and while I am sometimes aware of a reclassification, I frequently can't remember the new name. And it gets more convoluted for inter-generics - if I have a (formerly) Eplc., depending on the parents, the parents' parents, etc, there is more than one possible 'new' genus name (was the Laelia parent reclassified to Catt? or not? is the Catt parent still classified as Catt? or not? ... )
It's just not something I much care to worry about.
I have no problems with reclassification, I just think people can understand if I am not up to date on it all
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:19 PM
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beautiful blooms, Frederico!

My two cents on the nomenclature - many of us on the board are just hobby growers, and mostly just want to know how best to grow our plants, and I, at least, don't follow the changes to classification much. I do try to get things right, and if I don't, I am not offended if someone points out to me the new name for the genus, but I'm likely to forget it in the future. Some of the Catt alliance species have been re-classified more than once in a fairly short period of time, and while I am sometimes aware of a reclassification, I frequently can't remember the new name. And it gets more convoluted for inter-generics - if I have a (formerly) Eplc., depending on the parents, the parents' parents, etc, there is more than one possible 'new' genus name (was
the Laelia parent reclassified to Catt? or not? is the Catt parent still classified as Catt? or not? ... )
It's just not something I much care to worry about.
I have no problems with reclassification, I just think people can understand if I am not up to date on it all
The problem with this attutude is when one sells a piece of the plant. Is it BLC or RLC? To lessen the confusion whether one keeps up to date or not at least try with ones on plants.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:49 PM
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*sigh

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The problem with this attutude is when one sells a piece of the plant. Is it BLC or RLC? To lessen the confusion whether one keeps up to date or not at least try with ones on plants.
Most people aren't selling plants. And many of us have been growing Blc for more years then we care to admit to. I'm not changing my tags that have been marked for 20 odd years on the whim of taxonomists.

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Old 05-18-2011, 08:20 PM
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I would have to agree with got ants. I'll never understand this round of name changing. Guarianthe or Cattleya in the case of skinneri? Sorry, it will always be a Catt to me.
Hello Thumper,

I assume you live in Florida. A breautiful place to grow cattleyas. In Sydney Australia it can be a little bit more difficult. However I have some very good ones that have survived.

From your photo you looked more intelligent than that. Growing Cattleyas is an addiction . Like you they are beautiful and like me they live for a long time. In Florida my knowledge tells me you have in Florida some of the best nurseries in the world for catts.

As your collection grows because of your addiction you will begin how wise it would be to keep up with any classification.


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Old 05-18-2011, 11:32 PM
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We have a 'like' classification for these posts. Can we get a 'dislike' one too???
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