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Old 01-10-2016, 07:49 PM
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I found out I DO have a Psychilis. I thought I bought Epidendrum truncatum, but, NO.
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I found out I DO have a Psychilis. I thought I bought Epidendrum truncatum, but, NO.
Hehe. Are you happy to have a Psychilis? How long have you had it? How are you growing it? Can I trade you for it.... or for a division of it? Or... can I have the pollen? I would probably use it to try and get a reed-stem Epidendrum pregnant.

I started off growing reed-stems. But then I found "better" (aka epiphytic) orchids and my collection of reed-stems rapidly dwindled. Just recently though I discovered that reed-stems grow really quick and easy from seed. No flasking required! Just sow them on some moist moss and voila!

This "discovery" really rekindled my interest in reed-stems. But... other than this really fascinating and useful feature... they are still kinda boring. So I'm super curious to discover whether seeds from a reed-stem crossed with pretty much any other more epiphytic Cattleya alliance orchid will also grow as easy from seed.

I recently cross-pollinated Epidendrum secundum? with a Barkeria. I did the cross both ways but it's kinda hard to tell whether they've taken.

A couple days ago I climbed my tree and pollinated my Prosthechea cochleata. It has four spikes on it. The first spike I pollinated with pollen from a red Epidendrum secundum. The second spike I pollinated with pollen from something like a Epidendrum radicans. The third spike I pollinated with pollen from a yellow Epidendrum secundum. The fourth spike I pollinated with pollen from Epilaelia Carrot Top.

I'd love it if they took. But I'm not holding my breath.

I'm pretty clueless about the relevant biology. Clearly most orchid seeds don't contain enough nutrients to germinate on their own. They depend on a microscopic fungus to provide them with the nutrients they need to germinate. I'm guessing that at least some reed-stems are an exception to this rule. It's only a guess because I can't say for certain that the moss I sowed the reed-stems seeds on didn't contain some helpful fungus. But the seeds themselves are quite large (relatively speaking). According to Wikipedia... Epidendrum secundum has the largest seeds in the orchid family. The "embryo"? is clearly visible. Sometimes it's even green when the seeds are still in the pod. The rest of the time the embryos quickly appear after the seeds have been soaked.

But if the reed-stem seeds do have enough nutrients to germinate on their own... will this "trait" be dominant or recessive? Is there any chance that I could open the pod on the Barkeria (assuming it ripens) and see a variety of seed sizes? Maybe even some seeds that are as large as Epi secundum's seeds? This would be at least some evidence that they might germinate as easily as the "pure" reed-stem seeds do.

I have a couple Bardendrums but haven't yet had a chance to pollinate them. So I can't say whether their seeds take after the Epi (assuming it's a reed-stem type) or the Barkeria... or whether there's a range of seed sizes. I have one Bardendrum in bud that might be just large enough to pollinate. I'd probably try and pollinate it with Epi secundum to increase the chances of getting some seeds that will easily germinate.

The overall goal would be to have the widest possible variety of orchids that grow quick and easy from seed. Then more people will easily create new crosses and some of these new crosses will even be better than the old crosses.

I've taken a few pictures of the reed-stem protcorms/seedlings and have been meaning to share them.
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I haven't studied Epidendrums, nor their relatives, so I can't help with that. I know Fred Clarke at Sunset Valley Orchids offers epidendrum crosses between reedy and blobby types.

My Psychilis came from Andy's Orchids in Encinitas. It's small blooming size, too small to divide. There were a few species offered on the Web site and there might be more if you call. It's not that far a drive from Glendale.
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It seems to me that whether or not the seeds it produces contain enough energy to germinate and grow would be much more dependent upon the seed parent, at least in the initial crosses. Using pollen from a plant which produces large seeds to pollinate other orchids could indeed produce large seeded hybrids, but I would expect to have to flask them since they're produced by a small seeded female..
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I was of the impression that "larger-on-smaller" was the way to go, as maybe the pollen tubes for the smaller plant couldn't properly reach the larger plant's ovary, but Alan Koch (Gold Country) told me to put the pollen from the smaller plant on the bigger one. If you go the other way, he said, the pollen tubes could be too large to penetrate the ovary of the smaller plant.

Like pretty much everything "orchids", I assume it's all a matter of degree...
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If you click on the link next to the winning bid amount, you can see there were 5 different people bidding on that plant.
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I recently cross-pollinated Epidendrum secundum? with a Barkeria. I did the cross both ways but it's kinda hard to tell whether they've taken.

A couple days ago I climbed my tree and pollinated my Prosthechea cochleata. It has four spikes on it. The first spike I pollinated with pollen from a red Epidendrum secundum. The second spike I pollinated with pollen from something like a Epidendrum radicans. The third spike I pollinated with pollen from a yellow Epidendrum secundum. The fourth spike I pollinated with pollen from Epilaelia Carrot Top.

I'd love it if they took. But I'm not holding my breath.
I know this is a fairly old post, but I'm doing similar things with my orchids and would be really interested how it went for you.
I was doing things a bit haphazardly for the first few years I was playing around with trying to germinate orchids ex-vitro. But lately I'm trying to use the species that I know are fairly prolific in my area as the seed producing plant and getting the pollen from the showier plants that I would rather not dump all their energy into producing seed.
So far my only seedlings that I'm pretty sure are hybrids are B. nodosa hybrids. The narrow and succulent leaves look a lot like B. nodosa hybrids I've seen. Now it's just a waiting game for me. I got tons of small seedlings that popped up all over the place but till they bloom I'm not sure if they are hybrids or not.
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SG in CR, I haven't had much luck pollinating reed-stem Epidendrums with showier orchids. Others have made such crosses, and I've bought a few, but I haven't had much luck with them as well.

For example, I have Epithechea Orange Blaze... (Psh. mariae x Epi. radicans) x Epidendrum cinnabarinum. It finally bloomed for the 1st time this year and I pollinated each of the 7 flowers with a different orchid...

Myrmecophila NOID
Sophronitis cernua
Encyclia NOID
B. Jimminey Cricket '
C. Penny Kuroda
Lc Clayton Waglay
Encyclia Hunty's Hoodlum

Not a single pod. But I used pollen from all the same flowers to try and pollinate Kirchara Georgie...Cattlianthe Golden Wax x Epidendrum O'Brienianum, and right now I have 2 pods. Not holding my breath that they will mature.

My goal is to develop an orchid that germinates from seed as easy as a reed-stem (no fungus required in theory), but has showier flowers.

Since you're in Costa Rica though you probably have plenty of fungus floating around.
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