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Old 01-29-2014, 06:26 PM
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Because of the old thread about mutations I found, I decided to do some research and see if I could find out which morphs are which.

Here's what I've found if anyone knows of others or has pictures, please post!

Miyakohabutae to Mihata
-Large variety which has upright foliages.
Very wide foliages are also appreciable. When MIYAKOHABUTAE mutate to FUKURIN variegation, it would be called as MIHATA.
(from Seed-Engei)

Amami to Misukage
-The true variegated form is a 2-tone green. These plants for sale are a lime-green foliage type like the growths on the front of the plant pictured. This is a mutation from an Amami form, making it large-leaved (and I assume adding the variegation). 'Misukage' translates to 'Shadow of a bamboo blind'. Not common in the trade.
(from Orchids LTD)

Kenkokuden to Higuma Fukurin
-KENKOKUDEN is old variety which produce SUMI(black spotted line on the back of leaves). And sometimes stripe would appear too. When the leaves produce beautiful stripe and tiger stripe, it become very rare and honored, high-class variety called HIGUMA FUKURIN. It is very small chance to mutate. And HIGUMA FUKURIN has very few availability even in Japan because they grow very slow and hard to grow, yet very popular. When Kenkokuden gets Sumi or stripe, it would be more valuable. There is ones doesn't have either of them. (from SE)

Kenkokuden (from SE)


Higuma Fukurin ( from http://neofinetia.com.ua/download/fi...90e5&mode=view )


Nishidemiyako to Manazura or Ginsekai
-Manazarua is when marginal variegation on Nishidemiyako morphs into a center stripe with green on the edges.

Nishidemiyako (my own photo. This same plant is now showing signs of mutating to Manazaru on one of the new fans!)


Manazaru (From Vaughn8381 on Flickr)

Neofinetia falcata 'Manazuru' 真鶴 by vaughn8381, on Flickr

Ginsekai is a Mutation from NISHIDEMIYAKO. Compared to mother plant, NISHIDEMIYAKO, they are smaller and leaves are upright. All of marginal stripe variety can not be propagated true by seedling (variegation will not be produced in second generation so propagate only by division) and it is small chance to mutate to Ginsekai foam. Therefore they are valuable and always popular. One of most popular mutation variety from NISHIDEMIYAKO. (from SE)

Ginsekai (from SE)



Gojofukurin to Gekkeikan to Tenkei
-couldn't find much on this. From SE -->
GEKKEIKAN is variety between TENKEI-FUKURIN (yellow fukurin) and GOJO-FUKURIN (white fukurin). It apparently is the stage of mutation for GOJO-FUKURIN to TENKEI-FUKURIN. Bottom leaves have yellow fukurin like TENKEI and top leaves come out with white fukurin like Gojo. Sometimes it is very hard to distinguish but very interesting and exciting to see them mutating. Wish to be TENKEI-FUKURIN!

Gojyofukurin (from NWO facebook)


Gekkeikan (from NWO)


Tenkei-Fukurin (From Orchids LTD)


Ooemarunoshima to Mikado
-When Ooemarunoshima mutates from marginal stripe to center stripe with green on the edges.

Ooemarunoshima
-Can't find a photo anywhere. If you have one, please post it!

Mikado (from Neofinetia falcata var. Mikado - Orchid Forum by The Orchid Source )


Toyoden to Akebono
-mutation from TOYODEN(stripe variety).
Usually inner stripe variety has green base with narrow yellow stripe but akebono's stripe is very wide and transparent. (from SE)

Toyoden
-I can't find a photo of this one anywhere either. If anyone has a photo, please post it!

Akebono (from Tracy [LinhT])

'Akebono' by LinhT, on Flickr

Higashidemiyako to Kotofukurin
-When stripe of HIGASHIDEMIYAKO changes to yellow color from white, it is called as KOTOFUKURIN. (From SE)

Higashidemiyako (from NWO)


Kotofukurin (from NWO)

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Thank you, not Bob, for putting this together.
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WOw, Quay, this is great-- it deserves a sticky at least. Our fellow neo nuts will totally geek out on this in 3....2...
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If anyone has any more information or pictures of different mutations, please post them and I'll add them to the original post!!

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I'm ready for the neo-nut geek explosion!
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Calling for some experts to weigh in here! In all my searching yesterday I couldn't find a photo of Ooemaru-no-shima. Well today in my wanderings I stumbled over a photo from Seed-Engei. The photo is below.

The description says this

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Great stripe variety, wide leaves
When variegation mutated to inner stripe, would be called as MIKADO
If they mutated to marginal stripe, would be called as DAIDOMARU
If you look at the photos, it appears that the plant listed already has inner striping, so would this one already be a Mikado? Also it talks about Daidomaru which is supposedly a mutation from inner to marginal stripe. BUT I thought that Ooemaru-no-shima IS already a marginal stripe!

Anybody care to weigh in?

Here's the link to the page OOEMARU-NO-SHIMA ????? - Neofinetia falcata/Japanese orchid/Samurai orchid/SEED ENGEI





EDIT-

I just found this at Orchids LTD. https://www.orchidweb.com/products/n...hima~3026.html

It's an Ooemaru-no-shima. Looks like an Ooemaru-no-shima could be just striped, not strictly marginal or strictly center (although the one in the photo from SE looks pretty centered)

Here's a picture of the one from Orchids LTD


also, check out the price-tag on that one! $1,200 for a single growth!

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according to SE Nishidemiyako has another mutation (or they call it variation... but that seems quite the same to me?) called Tamanishiki 玉錦

This plant seems to have smaller and curvier leaves.
Also with marginal stripe, It is called as Tamazuru when variegation changes to inner stripe.
mud brown stem, mud brown root tips, ocean wave tsuke
*credits to Seed Engei for the pictures and info*

I also found another one called Saikaku 西鶴, but I don't seem to find very much information about this particular variation. This one popped up on SE facebook picture page with the description that it's also a nishidemiyako mutation... maybe because of the yellow stripes??





I am really not so sure about these mutations so is there anybody who knows more about these particular ones?

greetz,
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What a nice overview of mutations, Bob! We actually have at least one Miyakohabutae to Mihata mutation going on which is really cool. Also, the Toyoden you mentioned, I wonder if it could also be translated at Taiyoden? We have Taiyoden which is beautifully stripey and highly variable among leaves, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it tends to mutate to something else (but I don't know that to be true). Also you mentioned Mikado, and Glenn said that he once (ONCE!) bought one in Japan, and it was one of the most beautiful plants he had ever seen. It also cost a fortune, of course... We're going to keep our eyes open when we go to Japan next month!
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What a nice overview of mutations, Bob! We actually have at least one Miyakohabutae to Mihata mutation going on which is really cool. Also, the Toyoden you mentioned, I wonder if it could also be translated at Taiyoden? We have Taiyoden which is beautifully stripey and highly variable among leaves, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it tends to mutate to something else (but I don't know that to be true). Also you mentioned Mikado, and Glenn said that he once (ONCE!) bought one in Japan, and it was one of the most beautiful plants he had ever seen. It also cost a fortune, of course... We're going to keep our eyes open when we go to Japan next month!
Thanks Kristen! You and everyone else can just call me Quay, my username came about when I was 14 and wasn't sure I wanted everyone to know my name. Now, I don't really mind.

If you have a chance to share photos of the soon to be Mihata, please share them!! Have you found that there are any certain conditions that seem to stimulate mutation? Such as increased light? Or does it seem to be pretty random?

The original list of mutations I got is form this thread Neofinetia Falcata Morph??? and it looks like Glenn is the one who posted the list, maybe he would know about the spelling difference. However I would definitely believe it if you said it was a translation thing, because Toyoden and Taiyoden are very similar and it sounds like Taiyoden is just the one to be likely to mutate!

Do you know what happened to that Mikado? Hopefully Glenn still has it, I wonder just how expensive they are!

Sorry to ask so man questions! If you happen to know about the Ooemarunoshima, please inform us! That's the one I'm really curious about and can't seem to find out what the deal it with it.

I think this is part of what makes Neofinietias so intriguing to me! All this mystery and we get to try and figure out what's what!!
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I will look in our books to find out what I can about the Ooemarunoshima. I can also try to find out about the Toyoden/Taiyoden question. The bad thing about these books is that they are in Japanese, so I can look at the pictures, but don't know what else is said there. HOWEVER! We'll be in Japan in just over a week, and if I can pick out a few particular varieties to bother someone with, that'll be a great place to get some answers, I would think!

I know that the Mikado is gone; Glenn bought and sold it a couple years ago, I believe. We're going to try to find one (or more) while we're there, and if we can afford them, we'll actually bring them back!

As far as the process of morphing or mutating, that's just a natural process. If you WANT mutations, you could expose to radiation or some chemicals that induce errors in copying DNA--copying errors are the source of mutation in any living thing. Errors occur once in a while naturally, but DNA strands sometimes have consistently fragile spots where errors or breakages are likely to occur. That's why you would consistently see one variety of neo morph (mutate) into another variety (like Miyako Habutae to Mihata). And it may be that some varieties have, again naturally, more fragile DNA or less rigorous DNA error checkers. This would lead to some varieties being more prone to morphing than others.

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