A Mounted Neofinetia Falcata: 大波青海 Oonamiseikai

[MattWoelfsen]

Andy's Orchids provided me this Neofinetia 大波青海 Oonamiseikai mounted. It was very inexpensive compared to my other Neofinetia acquisitions. As you can see, it has three growths. Anybody out there with this same plant? Anyone know the English translation?

[s.kallima]

I have one as well. Don't have a translation into english because I don't look for those, I like the sound of japanese names better...
But from your picture (but you can tell me if I don't see properly), I have doubts about it being Oonami Seikai. The tsuke seems to be crescent shape, and the main characteristic of Oonami Seikai is a strong wavy tsuke.

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by s.kallima

I have one as well. Don't have a translation into english because I don't look for those, I like the sound of japanese names better...
But from your picture (but you can tell me if I don't see properly), I have doubts about it being Oonami Seikai. The tsuke seems to be crescent shape, and the main characteristic of Oonami Seikai is a strong wavy tsuke.

Thanks for your observation s.kallima. Not having a lot of experience with Neos, and considering the only experience I have is just acquiring these plants, I have no way to correct your vision of this plant being or not being an Oonamiseikai. I have to rely on the vendor that this is the correct name for the plant they sold to me. They have been selling these plants mounted and with this name for several years...I've searched the Internet for any information on this plant. So far my search gets me back to the vendor, this board, and another forum where I've seen references (but no pictures) posted by members of that board dating back to 2008. Based on your concern, I'm going to email the vendor and see if they can give more insight on this plant.

Would it be possible for you to post a picture of your Oonamiseikai so I can see the difference?

I like the romanji name version of these plants too. when you say "ou-ou-nah-me-say-E-kay-i" that sounds more lyrical than perhaps the English name version (whatever that is). Thank you s.kallima.

[s.kallima]

Matt, here is a picture of my Oonami Seikai (from Seed Engei).It is a typical Oonami Seikai, you can see the tsuke is very wavy. Maybe yours is a good one, I am not sure of what I see on your picture, maybe you can take a close up shot being parallel to the plant stem


IMG_40645 by Jaljala photography, on Flickr

[Call_Me_Bob]

I also had initial doubts as to whether your's is Oonamiseikai or not, but I am in no place to say it is or isn't. The leaves look a bit long and less curved than others that I have seen. But I think Kallima is right about the tsuke.

As far as the name, I have one and I asked Satomi about the name, and this is what I learned from her. You might recall a similar bean leaf, 'Seikai', Seikai is the traditional japanese pattern of the tight, formal, uniform wave such as this..



'Seikai' have very formal and evenly curved, wave shape leaves. Oonami means large wave, so Oonamiseikai means large wave, wave pattern. So 'Oonamiseikai' have larger curves and generally are not as strict and uniform as 'Seikai'. And as Kallima mentioned earlier, one of the main characteristics is that nice wavy tsuke.

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by s.kallima

Matt, here is a picture of my Oonami Seikai (from Seed Engei).It is a typical Oonami Seikai, you can see the tsuke is very wavy. Maybe yours is a good one, I am not sure of what I see on your picture, maybe you can take a close up shot being parallel to the plant stem


IMG_40645 by Jaljala photography, on Flickr

Wow, you have a lovely plant s.kallima. I also think you are very skilled in photography! I hope you don't mind me saying, but I peeked at your other photos and you have a delightful collection. KUDOS! I have been using my iPad to post pictures. Obviously result is not as good. Now that I see your Oonamiseikai, I'll have to look further at my plant and see if I can find a similar pattern as yours. Domo Arrigato!

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Bob

I also had initial doubts as to whether your's is Oonamiseikai or not, but I am in no place to say it is or isn't. The leaves look a bit long and less curved than others that I have seen. But I think Kallima is right about the tsuke.

As far as the name, I have one and I asked Satomi about the name, and this is what I learned from her. You might recall a similar bean leaf, 'Seikai', Seikai is the traditional japanese pattern of the tight, formal, uniform wave such as this..



'Seikai' have very formal and evenly curved, wave shape leaves. Oonami means large wave, so Oonamiseikai means large wave, wave pattern. So 'Oonamiseikai' have larger curves and generally are not as strict and uniform as 'Seikai'. And as Kallima mentioned earlier, one of the main characteristics is that nice wavy tsuke.

Thanks for this additional information C_M_Bob. I am very entertained with these names and what they could possibly mean in English. Oonamiseikai could mean "Large Nice Wave"

[Call_Me_Bob]

Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

Thanks for this additional information C_M_Bob. I am very entertained with these names and what they could possibly mean in English. Oonamiseikai could mean "Large Nice Wave"

I too love the translations and the origins of the names!!

[MattWoelfsen]

Took out my DSLR and photographed my Oonamiseikai. She's ready for her close-up Mr. Demille! . I think your plant is a darker green but I suspect the light that my plant has lived in was very bright light, so over time my plant might get darker. I'm comparing both and they are very similar. what do you think?

[s.kallima]

The color is not a problem, but the tsuke is clearly crescent on yours, not wave.
Unless it is wave on the other growth behind, I don't think it is oonami seikai .