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Old 05-01-2014, 01:22 AM
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This list opens my eyes even more than before... I have studied the old Meikan charts and I have been growing a lot of these for many years and did not know that a lot of them are that old a variety... The writings of the charts sometimes are very vague ... Thanks for the clarifications...

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Chousentetsu 朝鮮鉄 - Renamed and Registered as yoroidoushi -
I ordered a Chosentetsu, do you mean its actually a Yoroidoushi?
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I ordered a Chosentetsu, do you mean its actually a Yoroidoushi?
The vast majority of my Japanese references online, and both Seed-Engei and Orchids Ltd. say that Chousentetsu and Yoroidoushi are the same plant.

However, New World Orchids is selling two different plants with significantly different characteristics as Chousentetsu and Yoroidoushi. We're trying to figure out what's going on there. I have a feeling that the one that they are selling as Chousentetsu is actually Aojiku Yoroidoushi/Aojiku Chousentetsu which according to my references has a smaller form and green stem and root tips.

As for the name itself, in usage, it's appropriate to name the plant either of the two names as most growers consider it synonymous.
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I know, i ordered 2 growth chosentetsu from nwo, and got i formed from a friend it might be a aojiku yoroidoushi. Tryi g to figure out why they thaught so. So now im waiting to get the plant and also a guy in another country which is gonna take a look.
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Yes Hendrik, I ordered the Chosentetsu from Kristen just out of curiosity, to see What it looks like. But so far after talking to Kristen a lot on this subject, I think Hakumin is on the right track.
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Yes Hendrik, I ordered the Chosentetsu from Kristen just out of curiosity, to see What it looks like. But so far after talking to Kristen a lot on this subject, I think Hakumin is on the right track.
Okey, so a Hakumin? Is there any pictures of a Hakumin? Or info? Cuz i cant find anything

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Haha sorry for the confusion xD Hakumin the user is on the right track with Aojiku Yoroidoushi xD

Now i understand! Haha
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I have all three: Chousentetsu 朝鮮鉄, Aojiku Yoroidoushi 青軸鎧通し and Yoroidoshi 鎧通し. All three plants look the same-- except for size. But see if you can tell the difference in the kanji, per plant.

Google translate says Chousentetsu is "Korean iron" whereas Aojiku Yoroidoushi is translated by Orchids Limited, as "Green Axis Dagger" (that is what my plant's label states--I bought this plant from Orchid Limited.)

In any case, I'll keep their nomenclature as the vendors have sold them to me.
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Google translate says Chousentetsu is "Korean iron" whereas Aojiku Yoroidoushi is translated by Orchids Limited, as "Green Axis Dagger" (that is what my plant's label states--I bought this plant from Orchid Limited.)
Translating Yoroidoshi as "Dagger" is a somewhat simplistic in my opinion, albeit convenient. A yoroidoshi is a specific type of Japanese sword. More information can be found in its wiki page: Yoroid

In any case, there could have been a reason why Chousentetsu was renamed.

Joseon (Chousen in Japanese) was the name (endonym) of Korea up to and through Japanese occupation (with a brief change just before the occupation). However, after the end of World War 2 and the separation of the country, North Korea reverted back to Joseon while South Korea kept the new name Hanguk

In Japan, the name Chousen and its demonym Chousen-jin is nowadays sometimes used in a derogatory manner to refer to Korea and Koreans as a whole, and sometimes specifically to North Korea and its people. (The safer term for Korea is Kankoku, derived from the South Korean, Hanguk)

Perhaps this, along with maybe a little bit of national pride, drove the change of the name of the plant in its official records.

Nevertheless, both names are still rather common in reference to the plant.

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