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Old 07-11-2019, 01:27 PM
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Wondering what the incidence is of Neo's Morphogenesis reverting back to it's original growing characteristics?

Are there certain varieties that revert back easier than others?

I love the smaller sized morphs but they rarely seem to be photographed as a larger species. Is it because new growths revert back? or are the changes strictly from growing conditions?

I ask because I purchased a lovely 3 fan Mikado, with a nice central stripe and smallish wide almost lanceolate leaves. However this years new top growth is now growing narrower and longer than the original fans. Any suggestions to get it back on track? (I'll add a photo as soon as I can get it loaded)

I grow my neo's under lights, but this Mikado became rather red pigmented, so I backed it from directly under light and now leaves are growing longer. Could that be the issue??
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Old 07-11-2019, 01:55 PM
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Wondering what the incidence is of Neo's Morphogenesis reverting back to it's original growing characteristics?

Are there certain varieties that revert back easier than others?

I love the smaller sized morphs but they rarely seem to be photographed as a larger species. Is it because new growths revert back? or are the changes strictly from growing conditions?

I ask because I purchased a lovely 3 fan Mikado, with a nice central stripe and smallish wide almost lanceolate leaves. However this years new top growth is now growing narrower and longer than the original fans. Any suggestions to get it back on track? (I'll add a photo as soon as I can get it loaded)

I grow my neo's under lights, but this Mikado became rather red pigmented, so I backed it from directly under light and now leaves are growing longer. Could that be the issue??
What do you mean revert back? I thought you originally were talking about small sized morphs of varieties like Tamanishiki vs Nishidemiyako, but you began talking about Mikado, which doesn't have any size morphs other than the typical size variations caused by cultural conditions that apply to pretty much any neo...

Most neo varieties will grow somewhat longer, narrower leaves when grown in lower light, and somewhat shorter, wider leaves when grown in higher light. Some varieties are affected more in this way and some less. Other shifts in cultural conditions can directly affect the vegetative characteristics too. Oemaru-Shima and by extension, Mikado, is somewhat more prone to this sort of variation, while a variety like Kujakumaru is an extreme example of this sort of variability.

This level of variation though, is not considered a morph, but standard variation that will respond back and forth with changes to cultural conditions. Learning how to adjust cultural conditions to get the specific characteristics you want is one of the important and rewarding aspects of growing neos.

Proper morphs on the other hand are generally not controllable. You can do things to encourage certain morphs, but you can't reliably expect a specific cause and effect relationship with cultural conditions and morphs.

For example, a Ginsekai can morph out of any Nishidemiyako. When it does happen, it's not because you changed your growing conditions, it's random chance. A Ginsekai reverting back to Nishidemiyako is likewise a chance happening, not something you can control beyond minor encouragement.

When speaking about the likelihood of proper morphs reverting, it's variable between each variety and strain of the variety. For example, some Ginsekai strains are prone to morphing back into Nishidemiyako, while others are more stable and tend not to revert back. On the other hand, another morph of Nishidemiyako, Saikaku was a one time morph of Nishidemiyako, and it has never reverted back into Nishidemiyako. There's really not much you can do about it other than doing research and purchasing the more stable strains to begin with.

In any case, large specimens of small morphs of various varieties are not uncommon. If you've not seen photos of those, I'm thinking you haven't been looking in the right place.
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:39 PM
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Hakumin,

Clarification needed concerning “morphing back”. Does it refer to newer leaves on the growth or new off shoots?

I suspect the latter.
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Hakumin,

Clarification needed concerning “morphing back”. Does it refer to newer leaves on the growth or new off shoots?
Either or. Morphing and reversion can happen both ways.
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:06 PM
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Thank so much Hakumin for your input, Neo experience and Wealth of Knowledge it's always appreciated.

So I'm to understand that Mikado is not always a smaller sized neo. I'm happy to understand that I've not ruined it. And will find a better place for it under lights to hopefully get my wider leaves back.

My reference to reverting back was with the smaller Nishidemiyako morphs in mind. I love all of those little rascals, but I'd be sick to just watch one revert back to a regular Nishidemiyako. I do know Saikaku must be obtained from the original or it's offspring to stay true.

Quite a bit to know about these neo's. It sure is nice to have some place to ask questions.
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:19 PM
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So I'm to understand that Mikado is not always a smaller sized neo. I'm happy to understand that I've not ruined it. And will find a better place for it under lights to hopefully get my wider leaves back.
Correct. The first adjustment to experiment with is incrementally giving it more light than you have been.


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My reference to reverting back was with the smaller Nishidemiyako morphs in mind. I love all of those little rascals, but I'd be sick to just watch one revert back to a regular Nishidemiyako. I do know Saikaku must be obtained from the original or it's offspring to stay true.
As for Nishidemiyako morphs, some are more prone to reverting than others. It's simply the nature of growing these varieties. Once you learn what to look for though, or if you have a very trustworthy and highly knowledgeable vendor select for you, you can obtain the more stable ones. They're significantly more expensive though when you do find them.

Anyway, here are some large clumps of smaller Nishide morphs:

Tamanishiki

Ginsekai

Miyakodori

Tamazuru

I should mention too that they can get bigger than these, but but growers like to keep a clump tidy for judging, and simply big at the expense of aesthetics doesn't get you any awards.
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I do love the Korea Neofinetia Association's online profile of varieties. it is very helpful in learning what to watch for in identifying neo varieties. I just wish I could write & read Korean & Japanese so I knew exactly which ones they were. :-(
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