Login
User Name
Password   


Registration is FREE. Click to become a member of OrchidBoard community
(You're NOT logged in)

menu menu
Sponsor
Donate Now
and become
Forum Supporter.


Many perks!
<...more...>




Sponsor

 

Google


  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 12:53 PM
orchidbingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Zone: 5b
Location: Macomb, IL
Posts: 411
Question Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope

I try not to buy Jane Doe orchids from generic home supply stores but this one struck me as being rather strange. Ok, I'm an animal developmental biologist-- not a plant person-- but this struck me as being rather strange. Does this Phal Baldans Kalaidescope have three labella or am I just seeing triple? If this were Drosophila melanogaster I would call this a homeotic mutant and name it triple lip

I will now try to attach the photo. Forgive me if it doesn't work. I'm a complete newbie to Orchid Board.

Orchidbingo
Attached Thumbnails
Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope-dscn0129.jpg   Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope-dscn0128.jpg  
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement Sponsored links

  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 01:58 PM
King_of_orchid_growing:)'s Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Zone: 9a
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,796
Default

It is a genetic mutation in orchids. It's what's called peloric.

Last edited by King_of_orchid_growing:); 07-11-2009 at 02:07 PM..
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:07 PM
orchidbingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Zone: 5b
Location: Macomb, IL
Posts: 411
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by King_of_orchid_growing:) View Post
It is a genetic mutation in orchids. It's what's called peloric.

I believe it's a mutation that came about as a result of repeated cloning.
OK; Many thanks!-- but I still need to know if peloric mutants are homeotic-- or is that term not used by plant people? Can any one point me to an article or citation explaining pelorics?

Thanks again!

orchidbingo
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:13 PM
King_of_orchid_growing:)'s Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Zone: 9a
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,796
Default

Upon reading more, I may have mistakenly said it was a result of cloning.

At any rate, I pulled some links to scientific journals.

ScienceDirect - Trends in Plant Science : Evolutionary change in flowers and inflorescences: evidence from naturally occurring terata

http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/45/7/831

http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v15.../7290334a.html

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/mcn258v1

Last edited by King_of_orchid_growing:); 07-11-2009 at 02:17 PM..
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:13 PM
orchidbingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Zone: 5b
Location: Macomb, IL
Posts: 411
Default

Thanks to King of Orchid Growing I now have the correct term. I searched the web and found the follwing article but I can't access it from my home computer.
ISHS Acta Horticulturae 766: XXVII International Horticultural Congress - IHC2006: International Symposium on Ornamentals, Now!
SOMACLONAL VARIATION IN ORCHIDS AND THE APPLICATION OF BIOTECHNOLOGY
Authors: Fure-Chyi Chen, Jun-Yi Yu, Pei-Yin Chen, Ya-Wen Huang


I gather from the abstract that a peloric is a somatic mutation?

orchidbingo
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:19 PM
orchidbingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Zone: 5b
Location: Macomb, IL
Posts: 411
Default

Thanks for the link. . I am fascinated by zygomorphy so I'll have to check out the full article when I get back to work on Monday!

orchidbingo
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:22 PM
King_of_orchid_growing:)'s Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Zone: 9a
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,796
Default

I added links to more articles.

Many of these articles you have to pay for in order to read the entire thing.

But the trade off is this is real science done in a lab with real experiments. It's not just somebody's presumptions, assumptions, or anecdotes.
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 02:49 PM
orchidbingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Zone: 5b
Location: Macomb, IL
Posts: 411
Default

Thanks!

I drove in to work just so I could access the fulltext pdfs of these links (and others) from my office computer. I am currently printing them so I can read over the weekend.

I've been a developmental geneticists for decades-- how did I miss this? Serves me right for being so focused on studying fruitflies. I should have listened to the fruitflies and studied fruits-- or pre-fruits- instead.

You are King!

orchidbingo
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-11-2009, 03:05 PM
King_of_orchid_growing:)'s Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Zone: 9a
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,796
Default

Without people studying fruitflies, how would reptile and amphibian hobbyists be able to get a hold of flightless fruitflies?

BTW, those articles are relatively recent. They were published anywhere between 2003 and 2007.
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2009, 10:42 AM
gixrj18's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Zone: 9b
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,425
Default

I, too, have a peloric Baldan's Kaleidoscope. It's not as extreme as yours, but here's some pics.
Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope-2009_05010006-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	38
Size:	45.5 KB
ID:	33758Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope-2009_05010014-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	26
Size:	62.7 KB
ID:	33759Homeotic mutant ???Phal Baldans Kalaidescope-2009_05010008-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	36
Size:	75.0 KB
ID:	33760
__________________
: Jasen
------ON THE NEVER-ENDING JOURNEY TO CURE THE 'EPIPHYTIC ITCH'--------
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored links Remove advertisements
Advertisement

Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:26 AM.

© 2007 OrchidBoard.com

Vivarium TopSites Top Orchid Sites
Ad Management by RedTyger

SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63