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Okay
Here I am, 10 months later after the last posting to this thread.
However, I would like to add my two cents:

The nitrogen cycle goes something like this
1--an organism dies and begins to rot into its component parts, for this case--protein. Or, it excretes waste materials from protein metabolism, including urea.
2--protein, by biological action (with or without soil), breaks down to urea.
3--urea breaks down to Ammonia
4--ammonia breaks down to Nitrates
5--soil organisms convert nitrates to nitrites (maybe this 4 and 5 is backwards), and is able to hold that in the humus.

Now--Orchids are perched in trees, usually. They get what comes their way. Waste products in dilute form slowly, and consistently while moist. Most plants, including most orchids, have enzymes that break down even large molecules like urea. They don't have to have the urea broken down. However, in warmth, urine (urea) turns to ammonia quickly (hence the singapore example above, and works well).

Whether urea, ammonia, or nitrate, orchids need their nitrogen because they reform orchid proteins from the nitrogen components of the molecule. And from these proteins, eventually the nitrogen cycle starts again.

Now--compost tea is excellent for any and all orchids. You can make it at home. Phals especially like the stuff. Catts, dendies, oncids, and grammatophylums too.

I hope I have helped in this matter.
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I'llsort of add to what POLKA has said.

I have a HUGE fish pond that is 4 metres round and 2 metres deep. It has a few big fish and some smaller ones in it and i regularly clean it out.
Now for those that know me, I have an Orchid nursery with about ten thousand Orchids. I now pump the old water out of the fish pond into my irrigation tank and water my plants with this.....Has worked absolute wonders
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For my part, I would rather give you the address of good mail order houses and on line sources of good fertilizer. I dont believe your are so far out in the sticks that you cant receive shipments or have to pipe in sunlight. If I had to use what might be laying around I would use cow manure tea.
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Believe me, I have absolutely no need for mail order shopping as i regularly use NPK 21.21.21.... I use the fish pond water as an extra during the week to reuse it rather than putting it down the drain. In fact i'm living and working right in the middle of the city.
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Wheather or not to use urea based fertilizers(on Orchids) is a debate I have heard often am not convinced either way. My understanding is that Urea has to be further broken down by bacteria and the rate of breakdown depends on temperature. My conclusion has always been that Nitrates and ammonia fertilizers can be directly used by orchids and require no further breakdown - therefore may be better but only because of the rate fertilizers are flushed out of pots by watering. Urea may not do as much good because it may not stay around long enought to be broken down. Thats my two cents worth.
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