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Old 04-09-2019, 10:49 AM
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I cannot seem to find its parents mentioned anywhere even though it says everywhere that is it a hybrid. Being such a popular orchid I'd have thought this information would be more readily available. So know I'm starting to think that it might be just a variation of epi. radicans. I don't know...
Does anyone have any idea about this matter?

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Edit: by popular I meant pretty common and easy to find
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:10 AM
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I'm curious as to how the plant was registered. If there's no provenance from the RHS, only a genetic analysis could possibly tell.
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:14 AM
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I saw that already, but I don't know what to make of it.
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It was registered in 1900. The RHS just generally accepted old records like that, which can lead to some confusion.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:17 PM
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Oh! sorry about my previous answer - for some reason I could only see the link in the first reply, without the text that follows.

I see... Still curious how it hasn't been updated or filled out in the meantime. I'm thinking that maybe someone who has more experience with them might have a more educated guess about their provenance, based on observation and so on. Although, seeing how reed stem epidendrums are so similar in some aspects maybe genetic analysis IS the only way.
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Why not contact the RHS and ask? They list their email address on the hybrid detail page. Let us know what you find out.

It's certainly quite anomalous to have almost no information regarding a valid registration. The registration date looks suspiciously like a made-up placeholder value similar to most of the other information for this hybrid, so I wouldn't even trust that the hybrid was registered in 1900.

If the original record is lost or damaged, I'm unsure how anyone could go about accurately and precisely updating the record.

If we accept that it's an approximately 100+ year old hybrid, the originator has almost certainly passed away. It's also possible that any personal records he/she kept are gone, and everyone with first hand knowledge may no longer be around.

As for genetic testing, that's another can of worms. There are technological limitations to consider which might make it difficult or impossible to suss out the actual parentage. Setting that aside, people would have to figure out which plants to test, with a reliable means to rule out the possibility of mistaken ID / mislabeled plants having been passed off as E. Ballerina. Can we actually be sure that the plants available today are actually the same hybrid that was registered all those years ago? In addition, someone would need to pay for the testing, and that's not something the RHS generally does. Even so, I wonder whether the RHS would actually accept the results and whether there's a procedure in place for the registration to be updated.
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