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Old 09-06-2018, 01:37 PM
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I have an urge to get some orchids that I have never seen anywhere other than in a flask.

Comparettia would be ideal - and found someone who would sell a flask.

Anybody ever bought a flask, raised the seedlings? How big of a pain is it, what sort of mortality rate should I expect (assuming a first-timer with de-flasking)..

Ugh, even if successful, I dread trying to get rid of the excess. Are the strongest seedlings going to have the best flowers (which babies do I keep to flowering size?)

General tips / advice appreciated, maybe I can help some breeder out.
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I have some general guide lines up on my web site, which are based on experience with a lot of Paphiopedilum, some Vandaceous and a few Laelias.

Go to Fair Orchids
Click on Orchids, and from the drop down select Cultural notes.
Look for FO, Growing Orchid Seedlings from Flask.
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How big of a pain is it, what sort of mortality rate should I expect (assuming a first-timer with de-flasking).

There are far too many variables and unknowns to predict and the answer is basically unknowable ahead of time. Could be anywhere from 100% mortality if you aren't good at following instructions, are unlucky, or decide to experiment, could be 0% mortality if you're skilled, knowledgeable, and/or lucky.

I will recommend you purchase your first flask(s) from reputable, experienced nurseries/flaskers, even if it costs more, presuming you want to maximize your chance of success. The first flasks I attempted were purchased from reputable vendors, and they have turned out fantastic. Little to no mortality, very healthy plants, fast growing, etc.

The flasks I've purchased from random people have mostly been disappointing for various reasons. In some cases, the survival rate of the seedlings has been low (despite giving them the same care as my successful deflasked seedlings), I've received flasks where the overwhelming majority of the seedlings are deformed mutants (likely due to inexperienced flasking techniques, incorrect growth hormones/nutrients, environmental conditions, and things of that nature), and it's also much more likely that things are mislabeled (such as when someone accidentally self-pollinates a plant due to inexperience when they were actually trying to hybridize it with something else).

As for mortality, some of it will depend on your skill and patience, some of it will depend on the seedlings themselves. You'll need to read up on how to deflask and care for recently deflasked seedlings, there's lots of good info online. The summary is that initially you plant multiple seedlings in the same pot and you need to keep them covered so they get 100% humidity, then over the course of a few weeks (or more) you begin to expose them to the air for longer and longer time frame to harden them off. Also, initially, it's recommended that you have some anti-bacterial / fungicidal products on hand to treat the seedlings and prevent disease. Hydrogen peroxide is another tool for disease control.


Ugh, even if successful, I dread trying to get rid of the excess. Are the strongest seedlings going to have the best flowers (which babies do I keep to flowering size?)

This unfortunately is another question where the answer is unknowable.

There are different points of view on this, but I doubt there's been any conclusive scientific study on this. I know people who say that vigor and flower quality are roughly correlated, meaning that the batch of the best growers is also most likely to contain the plant or plants with the best flower quality. However, it's not unusual for the plants with the biggest & best flowers to be slower and more difficult growers.

I think a lot of the decision to cull the weakest has to do with making sure you don't spend too much time and energy cultivating weak plants that could always be runts that may not bloom or grow well. From there, it's fairly typical for hobbyist growers to keep the biggest plants for themselves, and sell off the healthy stuff that's sort of mid-range in size. Some of this has to do with the fact that the biggest plants are likely to be the most vigorous and also likely to be the first to bloom. Some of it has to do with the belief that the biggest plants will produce the best quality blooms.
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Ugh, even if successful, I dread trying to get rid of the excess.
Honestly, this probably won't be a problem with your first flask. I'd assume a massive mortality rate! Even the best growers need to kill off a few flasks before they become proficient enough to have some excess.
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well, I received a flask of Comparettia speciosa.

The vendor actually removed the plants already, and sprayed off the roots (no agar that I could find), and sprayed a fungicide on the plants. Also she wrapped everything in a wet paper tower, put it in a baggie, and sent it to me.

Looks great actually.

Potted them all 5 different compots - 100% sphagnum.
The compots are now sitting in a dome lidded seedling tray on the bottom shelf of a bench in the greenhouse. Dome sort of offset a little to get air in there, and the GH is 80% humidity (59F at night, 80F daytime max).

3 days later they still look pretty good, maybe 1 seedling turning yellow, but he was already on his way to yellow when I got him.

I really should take more pictures, but so far so good.
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