P. violacea var. Indigo x P. equestris alba - what to expect?
 

It's apparently a new primary hybrid and thus there are no pictures available of the mature plant or its blooms. Unfortunately it does not say which plant is the seed parent and which is the pollen one (please correct me if I use the wrong terms here), but what kind of flowers could one expect from this mix? I'm thinking in regards of colour, shape, size etc.

What do you think?

:waving First off....I think your'e going to LOVE it!:rofl:
As for the flowers, imo you may get a dilute lavender [of any shade :) No help at all, I know, but the violacea parent sounds dark [in color] Good luck, and can't wait to see it :)

the name of that primary is Phalaenopsis Equalacea. google that and youll see what to excpect. im guessing the color will be like the vio var indigo, but not at saturated, because of the other parent.

I wonder if it will be sequential blooming multi-floral like equestris or single flowers like violacea?

Thanks Bob! That really helped. :nod:

Oh, I think I like it... Now the question is, should I add this to my way too large an order at Schwerter or shouldn't I. I'm already waiting for seven Phals from them when I spotted this potential interesting hybrid.

Hmm...Decisions, decisions :hmm

Hmm. . . It depends on whether the violacea is a true Norton indigo, or one of the regular coerulea varieties that are a pretty pale blue. If it is a Norton, I agree that it would be in various shades of lavendar to light purple, and that also depends on which is pod and which is pollen. If it is a standard coerulea, then I would be expecting some very light lavendars to near white flowers. I definitely think you should get one! :D

It sounds like a very beautiful flower...you must get it, or else you will just keep on dreaming about it till you actually have it in your collection...Im like that...I cant sleep on it...

The problem is, I have no idea... All I have to go by are the pictures on the vendors page and the probability of those photos showing the actual parents is not that high. Here's a link: Phal. violacea var. Indigo x Phal. equestris var. alba - Orchideen der Schwerter Orchideenzucht

Oh, found another interesting primary hybrid but this time between Phal. violacea coerulea and Phal. equestris blue (coerulea)! Does this hybrid have a name? :scratchhead:

the name is still Equalacea. because its violacea x equestris the color forms dont matter in the naming game :)

Ok, thanks for informing this newbie! (it must like talking to cows at times trying to teach us newbies things - no matter what you say all you get is "moooo?")
:rofl:

There is a good chance (a very good one) that those two are the parents, and that is definitely a Norton violacea. So lighter lavender tones can be expected.

From what I understand, alba equestris rarely breed alba and I know that Norton indigo violaceas often breed red. So you could get anything. That said, go to the gallery HERE where Rob crossed an indigo violacea with a coerula equestris and got some indigo Equalaceas. So you might, and you might not.

Oh deary me. I've been drooling over those hybrids on the Sapphire site, I don't know how many times, and now you're telling me that there might be a slight possibility of this hybrid to resemble those? This is turning into a "must have" hybrid... :drool:

That's interesting to know! :bowing so then a standard magenta vio x an alba equestris would turn up colours pretty close to magenta?

Probably, but not always.

If you self an alba equestris many of them bloom pink.

:bowing :bowing :bowing

It will be a sequential bloomer. When they get older they have multiple spikes with multiple flowers.

I have a one made with indigo violacea (pollen) and equestris coerula (pod) and it looks like an indigo violacea. Smells like one, too. Fishmommy, I had it in the MOS display at the MOS show so you might have seen it - first blooming and first flower for me, then. Several flowers since and a new spike has appeared. It's from Sapphire Dragon Orchids.

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ob...0/DSC_0370.jpg

that one is just absolutely divine! where did you get ir rangiku?

Oh, Sapphire Dragon Orchids... Why do you not ship outside of the US? *sighs*

Um, yes, the P. violacea indigo x P. equestris alba jumped into my order yesterday. I swear! I was just browsing their site and checking if something new and interesting had been added to their stock and when I checked my order - there it was! Looking aaaall innocent. :whistling

I swear, if they don't ship soon I'll have like 20 orchids in the same order... :coverlaugh:

Just a word of warning, I saw on the schwerter site that these are new Taiwan imports that they've only been establishing for 3 months, and so are recommended for advanced growers. I have bought new imports from Schwerter ebfore, and sometimes it's a bit delicate to get them going. But spring is on your side!

Very nice color!!! :drool:
But hers may not necessarily be sequential. If you look at different pics of Phal Equalacea on internet, some inherit the the flowering behavior of equestris.

Yup, I read that too. I think the P. stuartiana var. nobilis is also one of these Taiwan imports that's more suitable for experienced growers. I had planned on getting help from you guys to get them to survive. :evil:

And also, my Superthrive has been shipped so I'll have that to help them get established and growing in case they don't do so well.

It's going to be very exciting to see what the flowers will look like and which traits it will have inherited from which parent. I'm very excited! :biggrin:

Of course there will be photos uploaded as soon as it blooms (if I manage to get it to survive that is).

Hi not Bob :), I got this from Sapphire Dragon Orchids.

Camille, I didn't write my response very well. When they are seedlings and a bit older, they bloom sequentially. As they get older, they bloom more profusely as equestris can. The photos of Rob Shepherd's awarded plant (owner of SDO) over on phals.net definitely show this:

http://www.phals.net/equestris/2012/12ph0053.jpg

its to die for!

:drool: :drool: :love:

And thanks for the clarification about their blooming habits!

I am going to point out that this plant in question is a 4n, so it would be decisively more vigourous than a standard 2n. It still is to die for!!!!