Orchid Seeds Germinated On My Tree!
 

This last Friday while inspecting my tree I noticed a few tiny round green blobs near the roots of the Dendrobium speciosum v. capricornicum 'Black Mountain Gold' that I had picked up from my friend in Santa Barbara back in 09. Upon closer inspection I realized that the green blobs were actually orchid protocorms. It was super surreal seeing them "magically" attached to the completely dry bark on the sunny side of the tree.

Here's one photo...

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Symbiotic Orchid Germination 1a 008 by epiphyte78, on Flickr

Here's the set...Symbiotic Orchid Germination...where I uploaded several other context photos. To make it easier to see the details I only marginally reduced the quality/size of the photos. After you click on a photo...you can see the full size pictures by right clicking on the photos in flickr and selecting the size you wish to see.

Earlier in the year I had sown some orchid seeds onto my Cedar Tree...so the seedlings are probably not volunteers.

Looking around the speciosum some more I counted around a couple dozen protocorms in close proximity to the roots of the speciosum. Some were just barely visible to the eye while the largest were the size of a BB and just starting to develop their first leaf.

Wondering if there were other protocorms on the tree...this last weekend I climbed up the tree and managed to find a few more protocorms. One protocorm was growing close to an Epidendrum parkinsonianum that I purchased from a lady in Ojai. Another one was growing next to a Dockrillia teretifolium that I had purchased from the SBOE. There were also around half a dozen growing near a Vanda tricolor v suavis that I purchased from a fellow in Ventura. I purchased all three orchids back in 08.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what orchid(s) the seedlings are. Lately I've been adding plants/seeds to the tree in batches/bundles. If I remember correctly I think I gathered up a bunch of spore laden fern fronds and lightly blended them up in water. I poured the mix into a large plastic juice bottle and scraped in orchid seeds from 3 or 4 different pods around the garden. Then I probably added a few Tillandsia seeds and poured the mix at various heights onto my tree...shaking the bottle vigorously between pours.

I'm pretty sure that one of the seed pods was from my Cattleya loddigesii. But what I do know for certain is that none of the seeds were from the same species as the four orchids that supplied the necessary fungus. This seems to provide a little evidence regarding how selective/general orchids are in terms of their symbiotic relationships.

Just recently, on one of the other forums I'm on, somebody shared this interesting study on how terrestrial plants will switch fungal partners if they feel that their partner is not sufficiently contributing to the relationship. In other words..."mooching". Does the same "fungus free-market" occur with orchids and fungus living on a tree in nature?

For more information on symbiotic fungus I turned to the wikipedia article on Mycorrhiza...

On another forum a member mentioned that the majority of epiphytic orchids associate with saprobic fungi rather than mycorrhizae. Not sure if that changes the relationship dynamic between the orchid and its fungal partner.

We do know that orchids raised from flask can grow without a fungal partner...but would it be worth it to try and find these lonely orchids a fungal partner? Given that orchid seeds are completely dependent on fungus to germinate in nature lends credence to the value of the relationship.

It's interesting that on my tree the orchid seeds germinated in such close proximity to the roots. As far as I can tell...none of the seedlings germinated further than 1/2" away from an orchid root...but only two seedlings germinated directly on a root. I know I didn't pour the orchid seeds exactly around those orchids so the seeds should have ended up in other areas as well. It seems that even though the four orchids have been on the tree for at least a couple years...the fungus hasn't managed to stray very far from their orchid roots.

On another forum I theorized that the fungus uses the orchid roots as a vehicle for colonizing the tree. The more a fungus colonizes a tree the more spore it can produce...which greatly increases the chances that spore will land on adjacent trees. Which in turn increases the chances that seeds from that orchid will germinate on adjacent trees.

One thing about my Cedar tree though is that the bark is very hard. Some of the native oaks near the coast which are loaded with non-vascular epiphytes have very spongy soft bark. It seems reasonable that soft, absorbent bark would make it easier for orchid fungus to colonize a tree without having to rely completely on orchid roots.

In terms of watering...for the past couple months I've tried to turn the drip system on every night for around 20-30 minutes. Most of the orchids on the tree don't need to be watered every day and would be fine with being watered 2-3x a week...but they don't mind being watered nightly during summer. I've been watering more frequently than really necessary to help a few moisture lovers (ie epiphytic impatiens, blueberries, rhododendrons, etc.) get a chance to establish.

I'm certainly not the first person to try sowing orchid seeds on trees...but it's surprising that I've only heard two separate instances of people in Hawaii successfully trying this method of propagation. I've never heard of anybody in Florida or the tropics attempting to do this.

Of course, back in the day before asymbiotic germination techniques, people would sprinkle orchid seeds in the pot where the mother orchid was growing. In those days though most of the orchids were wild collected and definitely had the necessary fungus in their roots. These days I wonder what percentage of the orchids in a typical collection have fungus in their roots.

In conclusion...grow orchids on trees and boycott the AOS!

epiphyte78 - Great post and pictures. I have to assume that the fungus must have a multitude of symbiotic relationships.

Here in Central Florida I hang my plants outside for most of the year, over the past couple of years I have found Enc tampensis, Brosovola nodosa and Epidendrum nocturnum in the trees on neighboring properties where none grew before. I also know that I had seed pods ripen and open on plants of those three species. I am also constantly pulling up starts of Phauis from my flower beds where no Phauis are planted the same with Arundina graminifolia. I now wish I had documented eveything as well as you. I was too happy and busy enjoying them to even think about documentation.

Great pics and great information :)

glengary54, that's very interesting! Rather than allowing the seeds to happenstance land on other trees...have you ever considered manually sowing the seeds on the other trees? I wonder how many more seedlings would germinate.

Dang! If I lived in your area I'd be an orchid seed sowing fool! No tree would be safe!

There's a fellow in Florida on another forum that has experimented attaching orchid seedlings onto popsicle sticks. He then adds some glue to the back of the sticks and walks around his neighborhood attaching the sticks to trees using a long pole.

Not sure if it would be more effective to modify his technique and use orchid seeds rather than seedlings.

This all has brought to mind a friend in S America who is attempting to re-establish some species in the jungles around where he lives.

He mixes a thin slurry of water, orchid seeds, ground up moss and lichens from the trees in the jugle and some ground up orchid roots and sprays it on the trees using kids super soaker water guns that I sent him about five years ago. When he first told me what he was doing he was painting the slurry on with a paint brush and wasn't having much success. Since he started using the water cannon and is able to shoot higher up in the trees, he has had success with several species of Catlleyas, Catasetum and several other genera.

I was toying with the idea myself, here in Central Florida, the last two winters have been extremely hard on the local Enc tampensis populations. I would really like to see my Orchid Society take on a Community Project to help re-establish the colonies that were lost and to spread them all over the City where I live. It seeems like it would be a cinch doing it with a water cannon

glengary54, heh, that's really great information. I thought about trying to use a regular spray bottle but figured it would clog pretty easy. Never thought about trying a super soaker!

Men will find any reason to play with a water gun!! Although, this does sound like a really good reason.

Jonada -

Boys will be boys, espescially when it involves toys add orchids into the mix and there is no telling what trouble we could get into. Besides "They" say you only live once. :biggrin:

wow! that's super cool!
please keep us updated!

WOW! and youre not even watering nor fertilizing it...it just survives in nature in spite of the LA smog and all...Glendale has a lot of studios and I work with a specific industrial every April(its my 4th year) ...I can see why they thrive...CA has the right humidity in the atmosphere...and you dont have frost...when it rains in LA it really pours!

OK....JEALOUS!...LOL

Epiphyte78- This is a great article! I'm curious to see if your protocorms survive the winter. I know that LA is warm, but not always orchid warm! lol
Uggg, I was constantly pulling up these weeds from my pots and gardens in Hawaii. Especially the Phaius. Those things take over fast!

That is wonderful! Wow!

Can't wait to see what the cute little nubs grow into in 7 to 10 years. The water in the tree trunk will likely keep them above freezing while they're small. Please keep us posted.

Wow...I thought the needed fungi were only found in areas where orchids were native? Also...since almost all orchids are raised from flask, the adult orchid prolly shouldn't have any of the fungus in it's roots either.....I'm baffled, how is such a thing possible?

There are many different types of fungi that can be used successfully. Actually, the recent 'Orchids' magazine has an article where a scientist is trying to get a very rare orchid that is native to the high bogs of Hawaii to germinate under lab conditions. For some reason, the native fungus of the orchid won't work and he ends up using a fungus native to the mainland that works amazingly well! The problem, however, is that he can no longer reintroduce these lab germinated orchids into the bogs because they now harbor an alien fungus. Anyway, my point is that there is more than one way to skin an orchid! :evil:

So in theory.....using mounts and moss and stuff found in the forest behind my hous could possibly be enough to germinate my soon to be Cattleya seeds? I've never heard of someone trying this...but the proof is in the pudding.....or the cedar bark. :biggrin:

Actually, you would probably have better luck sprinkling the sees on top of your parent plant's media or even taking bark from the pots and putting the seeds on them! :goodluck:

Just wait until these boys discover explosively powered (LPG) potato guns. Let's get orchid seeds into trees from a block away... :D

thanks for posting, very interesting.
I was wondering if you could tell if there were more protocorms around dead roots or live roots ? If a root dies, does the fungus release spores which then attach to the trunk a bit further away and then perhaps provide an environment for a seed to germinate ? Is the fungus visible to the naked eye ? I wonder if the relationship between the two prevents another fungi from taking hold.
Please keep us informed, it will be very interesting to see what proportion of the protocorms develop on, or if there is some process of natural selection where only those in a certain environment conducive to futher growth survive.
I suppose you also need to see if any of your neighbours' trees are hosts as well !

Most of the seedlings didn't make it...but here's a recent photo of the largest seedling...

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Dockrillia, Crassula, Orchid seedling by epiphyte78, on Flickr

I have several seed pods in a bag...mostly of Reed Stem Epidendrum. I'll sow them in a few months but I'll probably try and use an eye dropper this time.

Has anybody else tried sowing orchid seeds directly on their orchid trees?

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I can't remember exactly but I think most of the protocorms were around live roots.

The spores are even smaller than orchid seeds...so when they are released the wind could take them anywhere I suppose.

Nope, too small!

From what I've read...I think that plants can choose which fungus they associate with...Plants and Fungi Play the 'Underground Market'.

Few of the seedlings survived. I think that slugs were the biggest culprit.

None of my neighbors "water" their trees...so I don't think that the fungus would survive on their trees. It would be a different story in Florida though.

your experience and a couple of others I have read about has inspired me to try a similar thing on an indoor mounted orchid. I have a c cernua seedpod that should be mature in about a month and I am going to spread seed around

1) the roots of a mounted bc yellow bird that I have.
2) the roots of the c cernua

I don't expect much, but who knows...

Excellent photographs and lots of good information. Thanks for posting this.

That's great that you're going to give it a try! Hopefully one of those orchids has the appropriate fungus in its roots.

Here are a couple of my favorite photos of cernua growing on trees... C cernua in cultivation and C cernua in situ.

One thing you might consider trying is to attach a division of your cernua to a bonsai. Here's my Jade plant "bonsai" that I attached a couple dozen miniature orchids to...

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Crassula Bonsai With Orchids 3a by epiphyte78, on Flickr

The "bark" is totally smooth though so I don't think I'd be able to sow orchid seeds on it.

Wow that is really beautiful. I am more than just a little envious!!! Must be wonderful to live somewhere warm and be able to do that....Sorry I think I have the winter blues up here.....sigh...I want that tree....in my living room.

Cool!

I'm with Aki James, I'd love to be able to grow tropical orchids outdoors! It must have been an exciting thing for you to discover epiphyte78! Great to see the close up pics too.

Thanks for the update. It's wonderful that one of the seedlings survived.

Glendale, California is sometimes visited by frost maybe every other year....otherwise you can grow some orchids outdoors all year. Some Dendrobiums can withstand a couple of weeks of frost and the thermal heat emanating from the tree will save it. There must be a beneficial fungi on that tree that nourishes the seeds and provide it with the necessary sugars for growth. Just as the trees that the ghost orchids grow from in the glades that allows them to attach to the bark and thrive= whereas in captivity indoors it is hard to grow ghost orchids....it must be something in the bark, the humidity and the temperature cycle of the seasons.

The seedlings are all looking like Laelia anceps...

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Laelia anceps Volunteer by epiphyte78, on Flickr

Here's the larger version of the photo.

I know I sowed other types of orchids...so why only Laelia anceps? Maybe because the other orchids require a specific type of fungus that isn't present on my tree. And/or perhaps the conditions on my tree are too harsh for the other orchids that I tried?

My Mexican Laelias are all starting to bloom...so I'm going to cross them with Cattleyas, Encyclias, Brassavolas...and see if any of the crosses will germinate on my tree.

Anybody want to guess how long it will take to select for an epiphytic orchid that can naturalize here in Southern California?

While searching for threads about something else, I came across this old thread that I enjoyed reading.

Do you have an update on the little seedling in the tree? Has it bloomed yet? Did you sow anything else that managed to germinate and develop?

The seedling isn't so little anymore but it still hasn't bloomed yet...

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Laelia anceps by Epiphyte, on Flickr

A couple years ago I spotted a few more seedlings on the tree. They definitely aren't Laelia anceps but I don't know who they are.

I posted a blog entry with some more or less relevant pics and thoughts... Update On Orchid Seeds That Germinated On My Tree.

Nice
 

I know this is a old thread but i would love to hear some more updates. I am thinking of collecting a small stick from the fakahatchee strand which will hopefully have some symbiotic fungi to germinate some orchid seeds.

It's worth a try!! Last year the largest of the seed grown Laelia anceps bloomed...

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That tree looks great. Congratulations! Any anceps spikes visible yet?