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Old 04-18-2014, 03:41 PM
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Hi! A friend sent me a Dracula lotax as a gift and I know NOTHING about its care. It is "mounted" on a piece of wood with moss. Can anybody help?? She also sent me a baby Habenaria in a tiny little plastic pot. I know nothing about orchids.
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Old 04-18-2014, 03:49 PM
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Well... dracula lotax is a great little plant. I have one. Do you live in a part of the country that is really humid and has a cool climate? If so, then you should be okay with this plant. If you live in Florida, or someplace warm like Florida, it won't do so well without some way to keep it below 80 degrees.

Dracula Lotax likes low light. I keep mine on the most shaded part of an east facing window, with the back of the mount facing the glass.

I can tell you it does not like to dry out, and it will dry out a lot because it's mounted. Mine is also mounted and I mist it at least twice a day to keep the moss around the plant's roots moist. If I forget to mist it for a couple of days, it loses leaves.

I do not fertilize my dracula lotax often. I think I've fertilized it twice so far and I still see good root and leaf growth, just giving it tap water. I also give the plant a thorough rinse about once a month, just to flush out any salt or mineral build up on its roots.

The trick with getting it to bloom, is keeping the humidity around the plant high. I've had mine for six months and it hasn't bloomed for me yet. I think the air in my growing space is just too dry for it. I'm going to move it to a terrarium as soon as I figure out how to create the growing conditions it needs.

I can't help you with the habenaria, as I don't grow these, but maybe someone else can chime in that can offer you more help.
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Which Habenaria? I just started working with H. radiata, aka Egret Flower and it likes full sun and constantly moist conditions while growing, with a dry dormancy after. It's even cold hardy here in SE PA, although I plan on keeping them potted. Winters tend to be wet around here, and wetness during dormancy = rot. Other Habenarias have different requirements so ID is important.
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If you have a large tall glass jar, put some pebbles at the bottom to about 1/4 level and put some water just to make sure the water doesn't go above the level of the pebbles.
Hang your mounted plant halfway through by hooking it to the rim of the jar....the potted baby plant can be centered on the pebbles making sure the roots don't get water on them.
You have a mini terrarium that will maintain humidity for your plants.
Make sure you place it a foot away from a bright window.

---------- Post added at 08:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:02 PM ----------

For a newbie you got complicated advanced orchid plants to grow....read and research online about the culture of your plants. You didn't give us your grow zone so I don't know the humidity and temperature of your area....so the best advice I can give you is a mini terrarium for your high humidity seeking orchids....
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Welcome to the forum

I can't help with these I'm afraid, but I'm moved your post to the 'Pleurothallis' section as Dracula lotax is part of that and I'm hoping more people who know about it will see this post here.
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Yes, please do mention the type of Habenaria you have.

As a heads up, you may need some dolomite or some limestone for the plant's long term health.

Certain Habenarias grow on limestone hills, cliffs, or outcrops, so the majority of their potting media should be limestone, and a small portion of the potting media should be either coconut coir or shredded sphagnum moss.

Other Habenarias grow in highly acidic, bog type conditions.

It really is important to know which Habenaria you have.

Different species will have different temperature tolerances.

Habernarias have a strong cycle of growth and dormancy. Dormancy must absolutely be provided, there is no way around it. There are no special tricks to prevent dormancy without killing the plant eventually either.

Depending on the type of Habenaria, their growing seasons might be different from each other as well.

They can either produce a type of tuber made from root stock, much like Dahlias do, and hence can rot out very easily if over watered or damaged, like Dahlias can.

The difference between the Dahlia and Habenaria tubers is that with Habenaria, if you only got one tuber, you get one shot - that's it. If you mess up bad with a Habenaria, it very well could mean game over.

Why?

Because Habenaria only have 1 eye per tuber, and no more than 1 eye per tuber.

Unlike Dahlias or potatoes where the tuber has multiple eyes per tuber.

Sometimes there are a few tubers per cluster, but usually, they are sold as 1 tuber growths per customer.

Or…

They can produce soft fleshy rhizomes, superficially resembling the way ginger roots grow. Like I said, these rhizomes are soft, kinda like a potato type of soft. They can get damaged easily.

A Habenaria's soft rhizomes have a similar thing going with the tubers - they only have one eye per growth. The difference being is that you can usually get multiple growths per cluster of rhizomes.



Dracula lotax is actually an intermediate to warm growng Dracula (55 F to 90 F). It is one of the "odd men out" in that sense. This Dracula comes from lower elevations than many of the other Dracula species out there.

Humidity of no less than 60% is adequate enough, higher is preferable. Unlike many other species of Dracula, this can bloom in lower humidity levels without any problems.

They should be grown evenly moist. When the moss dries out to the point where it still feels faintly damp, you can water again.

I recommend using only RO/DI water to water any Dracula species.

Do not grow Dracula species too wet or allow the moss to go bad, if either of those happen, the Dracula orchid can quickly go downhill. When this happens, they are difficult to save.

Dracula lotax should be the easier to grow of the 2 types of orchids you got from your friend.
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I live in southern CA where it is dry and gets pretty hot in the summer hardly any humidity. Why my friend sent be the difficult plants to start with, I don't know! The habinarias its radaita and it's just a single baby shoot. I have no idea what the growing medium is, but since it came from Seattle Orchids, I would hope its in the right one. As far as the Dracula lotax, I'm thinking I will try the glass jar idea. Any other advice will be appreciated.Did I mention she also sent me seeds for several different orchids? Lol
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I recommend sending the seeds to an orchid seed sowing lab, there are several available. Each company has their own strengths and weaknesses. It really depends on the species of orchid seeds you got. Orchid seeds are dust-like in appearance.

Some Ebay sellers are dishonest and will sell a buyer sawdust thinking that the buyer will never check the contents of the "seed packets".

The best way for an absolute newbie to check if what they've got are truly orchid seeds is to consult an experienced grower who knows how to handle orchid seeds and have them check under a jeweler's loupe or a microscope (any microscope is fine, it can even be the handheld ones).

Another way to check is to send the seeds to the lab, and during their processing of the seeds, they can check whether they are truly orchid seeds or not.

Do you mind me asking which types of orchid seeds you got? Not all orchid seeds are easy to germinate, even if you send them to a lab.

Depending on the type of orchid seeds they are, some labs may absolutely refuse to work with the seeds you want to sow, while others would be willing to help you out, but they might tell you that it could either be a complete dud or the odds of getting a large number of seeds to germinate is rather poor. Of course, there are seeds where they will readily accept, and they may even go as far as to pretty much assure you that there's a very high probability of getting some nice germination rates and nice strong seedlings.

Before the question even gets brought up here in this thread - if you end up thinking this is all too overwhelming, and you thought about sprinkling the seeds on some bark or some soil and hope that they'll germinate, the answer is, NO, they most likely will not germinate unless you have a very specific set of orchid species that the seeds originated from. And if they do, the germination rate will be very poor, and your chances of getting a plant out of the attempt is not good at all.

How do I know the answer?

Easy - it happened to me, and I failed royally. This has been proposed by a few other members on this forum in the past as well, and to my knowledge, those attempts may not have worked either.

There are only a small handful of orchid species where the seeds do not need to be sown at a lab, and those seeds are rarely offered for sale.

Assuming the seeds are able to germinate at the lab, you'd also have to learn how to grow them out once they come out of the flask they were growing in.

Depending on the orchid(s), it might be a piece of cake to grow the seedlings out to maturity, or the seedlings could be so difficult for a beginner, or even in some cases, an experienced hobbyist to grow that it might be a complete disaster.

While you're looking for an orchid seed sowing lab that will take on your project(s). I highly recommend storing them in the fridge (do not put in the freezer).




With that said…

Habenaria radiata is also called the Egret Orchid. They grow in parts of China, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. These most likely come from limestone forests, where they grow in between the crevices of limestone rocks. Your Habenaria will need some added lime. I recommend adding some dolomite, enough to cover the surface of the pot. This orchid is starting to actively grow now, and I really don't recommend digging this out at all during this phase. They handle being knocked out of the pot better during their dormancy.

FYI, the Habenaria radiata is most likely not in the correct potting media. Like I said, they usually grow in limestone forests in the wild, I'm willing to bet the potting media that yours is in contains absolutely no calcium or magnesium in it - in other words, it's not limestone.

I recommend getting some limestone and get ready to repot into a different potting media when it goes dormant.

The temperatures that Habenaria radiata grow in when they are actively growing are very similar to how it is here in SoCal now. Not too warm, not too cold.

Do not grow sopping wet. They like growing evenly moist. If they are kept too wet, they will rot very quickly.

The first signs of over watering that a grower is able to see, are usually black tips on the leaves, or yellowing leaves that want to drop prematurely, which can be symptoms associated with root rot. The worst readily visible symptom without knocking the orchid out of the pot is when the stem gets soft and looking waterlogged, and you can pluck it out of the pot easily. By then, it's usually too late - the tuber is most likely all rotted out.

It will start dropping leaves and begin its dormancy some time around fall.



As for Dracula lotax - if you have a window with some diffuse light you can place them on your window sill. They grow in bright shade, so do not blast these with light, they will quickly die from sunburn.




Forgive the essay, but sowing orchid seeds is a WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL!
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