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Old 07-10-2010, 06:58 AM
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I'm not surprised by your resluts. Does your test show all types of pathogens or are you just testing for virused ones?
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:32 AM
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I'm not surprised by your resluts. Does your test show all types of pathogens or are you just testing for virused ones?
Just testing for Cymbidium mosaic virus and Odontoglossum ringspot virus with the Agdia ELISA strip test.

These are the most common viruses for orchids the first of which can cause a slow decline in the plant and its eventual death.
CymMV typically causes brown speckling on the leaves and plants that have thinner leaves are more likely to exhibit this symptom. It is not typical for this to cause a color break in the blooms but it can. It spreads typically from sloppy technique when handling plants. Sap-sap type of contact
ORSV on the other hand IS the color break virus. From what I have read, you can have water splash from one plant transmit it to another. It is very quick to cause decline in a plant and the blooms are ruined.
I have attached three photos of cattleyas with color break. The first two were the blooms I brought home from the nursery a few years ago not knowing anything about viruses. The third is the blooming of one of them the following year. They were both discarded long ago.

Virus cannot be treated or eliminated in plants as fungal, bacterial and insect infestations can be eliminated. The youngest parts of the plants would have the least viral load so in testing I usually choose an older leaf, but not the "oldest" leaf
Again, a negative test is not 100% accurate as the viral load could just be too low.
There are other viruses we cannot test for as well!
So overall, I am just trying to keep a collection as healthy as possible.
Here's my analogy: just because we cannot detect every possible virus in our Blood Bank supply doesn't mean we don't test our blood supply for viruses we CAN detect. There was a time when we could not test for Hepatitis C but I can tell you if you get a transfusion now you should be very glad we can!
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Old 07-10-2010, 10:05 AM
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UPDATE:
Vendor #1: Already resolved. Excellent experience.

Vendor #2: Sending me a gift card in the mail for the full amount. ...But the plant is still listed on their site.

Vendor #3: Contacted me today. Outstanding! Completely flexible on coming to a solution; offered me full refund! Isolated her plants and has contacted supplier. Will keep me posted.

Vendor #4: Still waiting.
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:11 AM
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There is a big "what if" associated with viruses, and I am not knowledgeable enough to know the real answer, but it seems to me that viruses and bacteria are ubiquitous, so might this not be as it is in humans - you carry pretty much everything you have ever been exposed to, but only exhibit symptoms and become contagious if you become weakened enough to let it take hold.

I have heard that "all" phals are virused, yet we have no issues growing them for years and years. Might that be an example of such stasis?
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:35 AM
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Viruses are an interesting subject.

One thing that comes to mind - and I cannot claim to be sufficiently knowledgeable to know "the" answer - is that such pathogens are ubiquitous, and maybe the plants act like people, carrying everything they have ever been exposed to, but not succumbing to them unless they become weakened or stressed in some manner.

For example, I have heard that "all phalaenopsis" are virused, yet we successfully grow them for years and years.

Are we obsessing over something we needn't? (I destroy known virused plants, putting me in the obsessed camp.)
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Old 07-10-2010, 10:06 PM
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Although I know that the cymbidium virus and OSRV are injurious to orchids, is it true that there are viruses used in some color break patterns on ornamentals? I thought I had heard of this in some botany course I took years ago...of course, I have slept since then.

Pending this were true, might an "introduced" virus carry a similar genome that would test positive, even though it wasn't one of the destructive ones.

I am interesting in learning, if someone knows!
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Old 07-15-2010, 06:36 PM
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Although I know that the cymbidium virus and OSRV are injurious to orchids, is it true that there are viruses used in some color break patterns on ornamentals? I thought I had heard of this in some botany course I took years ago...of course, I have slept since then.

Pending this were true, might an "introduced" virus carry a similar genome that would test positive, even though it wasn't one of the destructive ones.

I am interesting in learning, if someone knows!
ELISA testing will test for a specific element of the virus which will identify it. Thus, the common elements between viruses would not be the segment used for the assay.
I have emailed Agdia and asked them the sensitivity and specificity of their orchid virus test for CymMV/ORSV with no reply.
We DO know these viruses to be injurious to orchids, period. Just as many viruses are injurious to humans and many are not.
We have an entire medical system that essentially screens not only viruses in this matter, but markers for Lupus, and Lyme disease and Thyroid function.
To say "oh, that's just nature" is crap. These two injurious viruses are induced in these plants from humans. We have some level of responsibility here.
I don't want a plant that will live for 5 years.
I want a plant that will live as long as me or longer...that I can divide and give to friends.

Every one of these vendors did eventually respond with concern and dismay. I understand it is "show season" for many of them and this is why it took a while for them to respond. I am waiting on one or two anticipated refunds and have no reason to doubt they are coming.

However, I am quite weary of order/receive/test/return...
So I will put it to bed
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