I went back to read the part about the $800 gold fish. I haven't heard of those breeds. I didn't know they could be that expensive! I have seen koi that were.

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They probably would but I think I'll wait and see if I come across one someday. Shipping and papers can cost a fortune, and I will have to give up one of my others to make room. The white one can go.

Vandalover:
(sorry everyone - this is off subject, but only a little!) I know that I read an article in National Geographic years ago about Oranda goldfish being highly prized in Japan and China. They even do surgery on some of the most prized one.
I also had not heard of the variety that Ordphien mentioned, and after re-reading the post, she may have been saying that was what she paid for multiple fish. Anyway, they are obviously not the goldfish that I flushed as a child!
Steve

Yes, I thought about that afterwards. He didn't say how many fish he bought.
I do know that the oriental peoples love their shows. Koi, succulents- all sorts of things.

I hope you're strange house is beautiful this 1. I'm really digging the color change. How funny I was just thinking of painting my guest room that color.

Yes $800 each. I have nine goldfish total in an indoors tank.
Aside from the tosakins, the rest cost between $300 to $600 each.
But they are show quality fish.
The breeders often have ones that come out with good form and breeding but with nothing remarkable. These are often much more affordable. Actually my fish would be treated as mildly remarkable at best.
I was thinking of getting some of those. That normally cost between $30- $50 each.
You can actually get most of these varieties in pet store.
If you look hard and are patient they can get barges in that have very good form and breeding.
I do love watching the water on a hot sunny day it's really great. And the goldfish are always a delight. I've been trying to find a more shade tolerant water lily. It gets a roughly 4 hours a sign. Which isn't enough for most varieties.

Totally not off subject.
Surgery can be needed sometimes.
My uncle had some truly prized koi that he's had surgery on. One fish cost him $250000.
Im a he by the way lol.

I'm from Japan originally.
I'm a mix of various European and Latino people's, my family is American, but I was born in Japan and moved here when I was 17.
I moved out of Japan when I was 11 but alot if it still stuck I guess lol.

Well, I love both cyms and koi. I have 8 koi.
Yesterday I went to Walmart because a neighbour said there were some nice cyms in. Unfortunately there still wasn't an orange or red one. I don't know why I have never seen either colour in Canada.

It's funny.
I've been hunting for white to no avail.

It's strange you don't see cymbidium in those colors.
I hope you do find one though. They really are pretty.

I love koi too but don't have the room.

I'm very much in debate over which goldfish to go with.
I can either go with the round bodied fancies, or the small torpedo bodied varieties.
You can't mix them because the torpedo body ones will bully the round ones.
The torpedo bodied ones for the most part look like mini koi.
I was thinking a mix of shubunkin, wakin (one of my personal favorites), jinkin, kinransin, and watonai goldfish if I went the torpedo route.

I had a beautiful, big shubunkin a few years ago. It bred with one of my koi and produced some pretty offspring. My friend in Ontario still has 2 of them. I have heard that this cross will not reproduce. I only keep koi now because I want them pure if they breed.

The white cyms are common here. I am not fond of white after living in a rural area in a snow belt.

That sounds amazing.
I wish I could see its offspring.

I don't know why it would be sterile... koi and shubunkin are essentially different variants of the same carp.

Hmm...
I'm not to interested in keeping the offspring. So purity isn't much of an issue.

My green cymbidium has lightened significantly.
I think it's the sun.
It's warming up alot, but the tree that would block the mid day sun still hasn't broken out of dormancy.

I'm not sure that the lady who told me that hybrid koi can't breed is right. There are some breeds of gold fish like sarassa that have koi in them. They are very closely related and the ginrins were created by adding a German mirror koi.

Your green cym is pretty. I used to have a similar one.

Interesting...
It might be possible.
I don't know. Sounds unlikely to me though...
I thought sarassa were hibuna that developed longer tails... I didn't know they had koi in them.
I thought all the torpedo body goldfish were variants off hibuna for the most part.


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I looked up sarassa some time ago and read that they have koi in them. I'll look around on the internet again and see what I can find.

Lol. These goldfish lines can be so convoluted...
I wish you luck.

My basic understanding is livestock carp showed signs of gold coloration.
Which they further bred and produced koi.
At this point I'm not sure if the goldfish developed from the same breeding line as the koi, or if the first goldfish were bred from the koi.
After that hibuna was created.
After a while a hibuna with a calico pattern appeared and was dubbed shubunkin.
In the same stroke ones with split tails appeared in the hibuna and were called wakin, jikin are specifically colored wakin.
Watonai are wakin with longer tails, sarassa are hibuna with long tails.
So on and so forth.

So the way I understood it (which isn't very well lol) they are all essentially variants of the hibuna.

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I couldn't find anything on whether the Sarassa has koi in it. I'm pretty certain that goldfish are a separate carp, though. Even their behavior is quite different than koi. I don't believe that koi are quite as hardy and they prefer the water to be a little warmer.

What I did find out is that goldfish are mutations of Crucian carp and Koi are from common cyprinus carpio. So they are a separate species.

I was just schooled pretty hardcore on goldfish by my uncle.
And they are indeed separate species, that produce sterile offspring.


And he went into great detail over the lineage of the different goldfish types.
My basic understanding of the types is essentially correct.
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That is interesting. I have noticed differences in the personality between the koi and goldfish. Koi are less aggressive, less likely to eat their young and less likely to pick on sick or injured fish. Koi also become much tamer. Mine let me pet them.

Indeed.
Although I've noticed the round bodied goldfish are less aggressive.

My indoor goldfish let me pet them. It's kinda cute lol.

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So I think that the lip turning red means the flower will drop soon.
Not surprising, bit a nice way to go out. With an explosion of color.

Here's that same flower today.


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It is nice that they change colour like that. I have a rose that is like that. It starts yellow, then orange, red and finally pink before it drops. All the colours on the same plant looks cool.

It is nice...
I have a rose that does that as well.
A Denver mini rose.
I love plants that color change.

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Have you seen the water lilies that change colour?
They range from creamy yellow through orange tones and end up sort of magenta red.

I have!
Sioux water Lily comes to mind.
Not enough sun here though.
I need a semi dwarf or dwarf shade tolerant Lily.

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That is a problem. Water lilies do like sun. I didn't know there were shade tolerant ones.

They do indeed.
Shade tolerant is used loosely.
The usual 6-8 hours of sun drops to 4-6 for the shade tolerant varieties.
I think when summer is in full swing the pond gets roughly 4 hours of direct sun. And dappled light the test of the day.
Not sure what my approach will be.
Might just buy locally and hope for the best, or special order online.
Pondmegastore have is a few problems but in the end I received a beautiful water lily that came with around 7 flower buds.
Might go with them again.


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On a more orchid related note.
Thinking of purchasing some NOID catts and trying them around my pond.
What do you guys think?
Can they handle the winter?


Also... I got sad looking at a pond with no brightly coloured fish.
So I broke while buying cat food and bought three comet goldfish.
A whopping $1 total.
Technically ones a sarassa, and the others a shubunkin.
But I don't really expect PetsMart to know that the colouring changes the name.
I'll try to get pictures tomorrow.
They aren't the most exciting fish but...
Very pretty nonetheless.

The rest of the available fish space after going to be watonai from a breeder in hawaii I think.

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I don't know about the Catts because I don't know your climate like you do, but the fish sound nice. I love the shubunkins. I once had a good quality one that got quite big. It was beautiful with all that blue.

Our climates weird.
We drop into the upper 20s to mid 30s in winter.
But we never get frosts or freezes and it remains quite humid.
The end result being that most tropicals happily live and bloom through temps much lower than what recommended.

Just last month I was happily picking hordes of gardenia flowers in 30* weather.
My neighbor keeps her phals out year round...
I guess I'm more worried about the light levels, and the fact that we have very wet winters.

It's not a very good shubunkin. But it's calico is colouring which means it's no longer a comet but a shubunkin.

My fiance bought me a ryukin. Actually I suspect it's just an immature oranda.

He noticed the goldfish and showed up with it the next day.
I hope it doesn't get bullied.
It's cute.
It's mainly white with some red spots.
But the red is mixed with black so the end result is dark burgundy spots.
I'm worried about its form though.
Oh well...

That does indeed sound like a lovely shubunkin, any pictures?

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I'm sure that there are quite a few catts that would do well in those conditions. I have seen catts growing in Florida, and there they sometimes get frost. Sometimes plants can surprise you. There are quite a few tropicals and semi tropicals growing here. I put my Norfolk Island pine out for the winter and it looks fine. Maybe I'll stick it in the groud. Kiwis grow well in some areas.
Sorry, no photos of the shubunkin. It was sometime ago I had that one. I had to sell it when we moved.

Hmm... Might go NOID catt shopping sometime soon.

Plants do indeed surprise you.
Stick out in the ground and amaze your neighbors!

What a shame. It sound beautiful.

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The pictures of the goldfish didn't go well.
It's very cloudy so all I'm getting is glare.

Here's the pond.
The yellow cym is fading. Not surprising.
It did end up in the pond several times.
I bought some water hyacinth.
And some azolla moss.
And the parrots feather from last year is somehow springing back to life.
I thought it was completely gone.

I'm thinking of mounting some orchids to the outside... what do you guys think?
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Oops. Pictures.
I think in one of them you can kinda see the tiny shubunkin.

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That's a cute pond. Cute shubunkin too.

Your pound is so nice looking, I wish I could keep a pond open all year

Thank you!
Lol... you can barely see it.
Once they realise I'm not scarey shadow
and the source of food I plan on some detailed beauty shots.




Thank you...
I'm just getting started on it so stay tuned.


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Got one more cymbidium.
I'm useless.
But it was only $10

They are growing so well though it's hard not to buy them.
Maintenance free plants really.
I water them when I remember.

This one is purple...ish..
It's kind of hard to explain.
In the two shots I'm provided is the colour difference.
The first one is how it looks under artificial lighting...
The second one shows the colour it is when in the sun.
Which is a beautiful smoky purple.

And here's the bonus... it's fragrant.
It's strange. It's an extremely light fragrance, but a powerful one.
When combined with the heavy, powerfully fragrant green and yellow one... they mingle and make an extremely beautiful and complex scent that wafts into my house.
It's like two halves of the same perfume. They green being the heavy low notes and the purple being the light high notes.

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Nice cym! I only have to wait one more month for the orchid show. Then I will get something new. It's difficult being an addict in a town that has so little to choose from.