I'm not sure where to post these kinds of topics so I hope this place works. As someone who spends way too much time browsing, I'd often notice coinciding releases from multiple vendors (e.g. down to the cultivars used in the crosses). For example, Seattle Orchids, Big Leaf, Norman's, Orchid Classics, and LAOC would all release Phal. amboinensis 'OK-18' x 'Nicole' in the same season. I'd assume that when this happens, the vendors are buying from producers in Taiwan, Thailand or Brazil (depending on the genera), growing them for a season or two, and reselling. For vendors that regularly outsource, this makes sense.
But sometimes the cross in question is not outsourced. For instance, at the beginning of this May, SVO released 2-4 flasks of Cl. dodsoniana 'SVO Biggest' x 'SVO' that I assume is in-house breeding. They all sold out within a couple days. A couple months later, LAOC released flasks of Cl. dodsoniana 'SVO Biggest' x 'SVO'. The flask I have from them is dated 7/15/2023.
So I think there are several possibilities.
- LAOC bought retail releases of SVO flasks to resell. I think this is unlikely, since SVO sold these for $85 and LAOC is selling them for $80. Also, I've bought SVO flasks before and there typically wouldn't be enough to, for example, split into two flasks to resell.
- Despite the cultivar names, these are actually produced at a third party facility that both vendors bought separate stock from. I think this is unlikely as well. I don't know if SVO uses a third party flasking service, but I'm pretty sure they breed their own releases.
- LAOC is not actually selling 'SVO Biggest' x 'SVO' and in fact mislabeled the plants. Still unlikely, since they've been around for decades and seem like an honorable vendor.
- LAOC got their hands on the two cultivars in question and made flasks separately some 4 years ago, which happened to release in the same year. I feel this is too coincidental, unless there is actually a lot of backroom discussions between orchid breeders.
- SVO pre releases their plants to some other vendors in bulk before releasing them retail, with the stipulation that the they could be released at a later date after the retail release. I've never heard of SVO selling wholesale, but I'm not crossing out this possibility.
So my question is what would be the most likely possibility here (or something else)? I kind of doubt breeders share breeding stock and strategies behind the scenes, but maybe there is a private orchid industry Discord chat. Or perhaps vendors sell extra stock behind the scenes to diversify?
Note: Please don't tell me to email John or Fred about this. I've emailed John/LAOC about the source of their Cl. glaucoglossa and received a terse response, giving me the impression they don't want to talk about their business. I know some of you get great discussions from SVO, but they don't seem to want to answer any of my questions besides sales-related stuff as well. I assume they're too busy. I know some members of this board have been around industry circles, so I'm just wondering if anyone has opinions on this, out of curiosity.