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Old 12-15-2014, 06:46 AM
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tantrums.

I dont know if its a tantrum but its upsetting to say the least and should be upsetting to everyone.
Chinese manipulating their money again by 'pegging'. Just a big sigh from me on why they feel they have to do this. Its got some attention again as they buy up US debt using yuan to purchase USD. Printing more chinese currency to pay for it. Its very disturbing to say the least. Tantric I dont know but disturbing yes.
I'm not saying that the Chinese government is being ethical by me posting this, but you did ask, (granted in a rhetorical manner) And I am playing devil's advocate here.

Perhaps the Chinese government never forgot nor forgave certain Western nations for trying to weaken their national power by creating a country full of opium addicts, and when the Chinese fought back and lost the Opium Wars, certain Western nations, (the U.S. was one of those nations), took the opportunity to carve up their country and made sections of the nation into their own little properties.

China didn't become a complete sovereign nation again until the British relinquished Hong Kong back to China back in the mid to late 80's.

You know that movie with Jet Li in it called "Fearless"? That movie had some basis on a real life martial artist in China, named Huo Yuanjia, during the time when China was carved up into sections. China experienced racism in their own homeland from foreigners, and that was real.

There's a lot they can be pissed about, just sayin'.

Of course, if the above isn't it, then maybe the Chinese government just saw a good business opportunity they couldn't pass up. Just like how corporate America saw big business opportunities in China, (in particular, oh, McDonald's comes to mind). We all know full well what this kind of eating habit is doing to the US.

Just for the record, fast food chains going into China is going to destroy that nation's health care system and economy in the long run, and nobody's crying wolf over this.

Like I said, just showing the other side of the coin. It is bothersome. But hey, after all that I mentioned, is it any surprise that the US is getting a kick in the groin? Knowing a little bit about history, I'm not terribly surprised.

I'm not expecting this post to be popular with anybody, but like I said, "the other side of the coin" looks pretty dark doesn't it?
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I'm not saying that the Chinese government is being ethical by me posting this, but you did ask, (granted in a rhetorical manner) And I am playing devil's advocate here.

Perhaps the Chinese government never forgot nor forgave certain Western nations for trying to weaken their national power by creating a country full of opium addicts, and when the Chinese fought back and lost the Opium Wars, certain Western nations, (the U.S. was one of those nations), took the opportunity to carve up their country and made sections of the nation into their own little properties.

China didn't become a complete sovereign nation again until the British relinquished Hong Kong back to China back in the mid to late 80's.

There's a lot they can be pissed about, just sayin'.

Of course, if the above isn't it, then maybe the Chinese government just saw a good business opportunity they couldn't pass up.

Like I said, just showing the other side of the coin. It is bothersome. But hey, after all that I mentioned, is it any surprise that the US is getting a kick in the groin?
Once a fight has started, who started it is a matter for lawyers and judges. The actual partipants are best served by winning the fight. Sadly those who craft our foreign policy no longer understand this.
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Might does not necessarily always make right. That was what started this mess to begin with.

Although it is true; this matter has gone beyond diplomacy.

If someone pokes someone in the eye, the reaction is to floor them. It's a vicious cycle.

You're talking about China - a country that has been around since over 2,000 B.C. and was an empire in Asia in its golden days.

And then you have the United States - a 200+ year old country that is still somewhat of an empire, but not as much as it was a few decades ago, but has been a world power-player for the last 100+ years.

And then, fill in the blanks with all the whatever you have in the history books. There's a heaping ton of pride going on in both party's houses. It's not going to be pretty.

It'll only end when both parties put their fists down. I realistically don't know when that'll ever happen. A pissing match between two powerful nations, to me, is a tragedy.
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I think the US government really needs to overhaul its foreign relations policies and attempt to work with other countries more, to talk to them and understand their culture, history and the why. Technology has made the world small and working together is the best way to make it a good, happy place. It is much better to be in a small place with friends than with enemies. And, we could accomplish so much if we worked together!

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Yes we did. A couple stretches of over a week with highs in the 20s (F) and lows in the low single digits. We had one stretch like that last winter and the plant didn't miss a beat, but this winter was too much for it.
We have been having pretty mild winters. Even when we have had colder temperatures, they did not stay for very long. The winter of 2013-2014 was not my favorite. I lost a bunch of herbs that I had planted 20 years ago, along with my roses. The peach tree, thankfully, bounced back but, of course, no peaches. I kept hoping some of the 'lost' herbs would reappear (seed, from root) but it looks as if I will have to put in an order spring of 2015 with Companion Plants. :|
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Might does not necessarily always make right. That was what started this mess to begin with.

Although it is true; this matter has gone beyond diplomacy.

If someone pokes someone in the eye, the reaction is to floor them. It's a vicious cycle.

You're talking about China - a country that has been around since over 2,000 B.C. and was an empire in Asia in its golden days.

And then you have the United States - a 200+ year old country that is still somewhat of an empire, but not as much as it was a few decades ago, but has been a world power-player for the last 100+ years.

And then, fill in the blanks with all the whatever you have in the history books. There's a heaping ton of pride going on in both party's houses. It's not going to be pretty.

It'll only end when both parties put their fists down. I realistically don't know when that'll ever happen. A pissing match between two powerful nations, to me, is a tragedy.
Might in and of itself never makes right. However history has shown that it does make the world a generally more peaceful place. In all of recorded history, the periods which saw the least international strife were invariably the times when one country was powerful enough to dictate terms to the rest of the world. See "Pax Romana" and "Pax Brittanica". Personally I'd rather not see China in that position.
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