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Old 04-30-2013, 06:31 PM
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Very cool educational info, King. Thanks!

They go dormant in the summer, when it's dry. I'm not sure how long that lasts down there, but I suppose I can look it up. Here in the city we get practically NO rain at all in the summer. The overall temperature range seems similar too-- not sure about the humidity though. (so far my Dendrobium kingianum seems pretty content out in the yard, at any rate. Snails ate most of the blooms before I got some copper tape on the pot though, naturally. Stupid snails.)

Sounds like the fungi is a pretty crucial issue for Thelymitras. I'm a curious person, so I'll dig around a bit to try to figure out what kind(s?) it is, and if it's attainable. It might really help.
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The fungus is not commercially available. It is difficult to obtain.
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When do you need the orders by?
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King_of_orchid_growing,
Sorry to go off tangent but a while ago you put an order together from Nesbitts. I'm curious what you ordered and what you had success with. Truth be told, I'm just being nosy as I like to know what survives best in different climates. However, people might find your experience useful for knowing what types of species they're likely to have success with.
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Andrew, with the Nesbitts order, a couple of us from the Fresno area ordered a couple each of the following:
Caladenia latifolia
Chiloglottis x pescottiana
Chiloglottis platyptera
Chiloglottis trapeziformis
Chiloglottis aff truncata
Corybas diemenicus
Corybas incurvis
Cyrtostylis reniformis
Cyrtostylis robusta
Diplodium robustum
Diplodium truncatum
Diuris orientis
Diuris sulphurea
Leptoceras menziesii
Pterostylis pedunculata
Thelymitra aff. frenchii
Thelymitra x macmillanii
Thelymitra nuda
Serapias lingua
Serapias neglecta
Serapias vomeracea subsp. laxiflora

none of the plants survived longer than 6 months, several were lost within 3. I will probably try the Thelymitra and Leptoceras again when I get the chance. The Corybas are not suited to our environment - They died rather quickly. The rest I do not have personal experience with.
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King_of_orchid_growing,
Sorry to go off tangent but a while ago you put an order together from Nesbitts. I'm curious what you ordered and what you had success with. Truth be told, I'm just being nosy as I like to know what survives best in different climates. However, people might find your experience useful for knowing what types of species they're likely to have success with.
My particular order from Nesbitt's consisted of:

Caladenia latifolia (if I remember correctly)
Diuris behrii
Leptoceras menziesii
Thelymitra aff. frenchii


The first ones to go were the Caladenia latifolia and the Leptoceras menziesii. These lasted no more than a couple weeks to 1 month - something along this timeframe. Basically, they croaked real fast. The Caladenia went before the Leptoceras did, but the time difference was not drastically far apart from each other. From what I gather, some insect went at them, and destroyed them beyond hope of recovery - (might've been fungus gnat larvae, idk). Both of these have really small tuberoids that were no larger than about 1/4" in diameter, probably a little smaller, and resembled tiny little onions.

The next ones to go were Thelymitra aff. frenchii. These started growing leaves, and for some reason, the leaves fell off when they reached only about 1/2" tall, and the tuberoid rotted away. I'm not too sure why. Maybe they needed to be grown brighter than I was growing them? Who knows. These lasted about 6 months. The tuberoids were about 1/2" long and were shaped like a tiny potato.

The absolute last ones to go were the Diuris behrii. These not only grew leaves, (if you're wondering how tall the leaves eventually got - it was about 1.5" tall), but they produced new tuberoids. The new tuberoids were smaller than the older ones, (only about 25% smaller than the original tuberoid), but they were produced nonetheless. These just passed away about a couple months ago - some time in February if my memory serves me right. So the Diuris behrii was the one that was far easier to grow and the one that was the most promising to try again. These timed out to be close to the 1 year mark. Each tuberoid was huge! They were about 1" - 1.25" long and resembled mini skinless potatoes.

I tried growing them in what I thought was the correct soil mixture, (which it turns out wasn't quite right). I grew them in a combination of granitic rocks, horticultural sand, and red clay. However, I believe that the clay that most people are referring to with Thelys and Diuris is actually not clay (as in the red clay I was using) - they are the clay minerals that were present in decomposed granite. It made sense. The soil type I started seeing in these photos of Thelys, Diuris, and Caladenia in-situ always had crushed granite (the little granitic rocks) - so along with this kind of rock weathering, it would make sense that there would also be decomposed granite along with those granitic rocks. I thought about the rocks present in Australia, and they were mostly granitic. I thought about how Dendrobium kingianum can be found growing on granitic rocks. I would eventually like to try them again at a later date. This time, I would like to try using decomposed granite in the place of the red clay from the state of Kentucky. Perhaps there would be far better results.

With regards to Diuris behrii specifically, I think they needed to be grown in a soil that has far less granitic rocks in it. I think the rocks kinda hindered the growth potential of the tuberoids a bit.

I grew all these outdoors, btw.




Now, for the previous Dr. Beyrle order...

I got:

Brownleea coerulea
Disa chrysostachya
Disa sagittalis
Thelymitra megacalyptra


The only one to still be alive from this order is Disa sagittalis. This one wanted to bloom, but for some reason, the flower spike never grew out - (might've been because of the need to adjust to living here). This species of Disa is winter growing, summer dormant.

The first to go was probably Disa chrysostachya, this was purchased during a bad time, I think. I got this species during the fall/winter, when I should've probably tried getting them during the summer. It also had what I considered rather small tuberoids. These tuberoids were also not what a lot of people are used to seeing. They were not elongated like potatoes or sausages in shape, but rather they had the shape of Gladiolus bulbs - round, short and squat. Disa chrysostachya is a summer growing, winter dormant Disa species.

Thelymitra megacalyptra did the same damn thing that Thelymitra aff. frenchii did. It grew a leaf, and then it died.

Brownleea coerulea was another one of those out of season purchases. In retrospect, I should've probably gotten this one during the summer rather than fall/winter. Like Disa chrysostachya, these are summer growing, winter dormant. This one lasted halfway through the winter dormancy, and then they probably got too dry or too wet and died. This one I grew in a small grade wood chip. These have tiny little white paired spherical tuberoids.

Kip has an Anacamptis, he was able to grow Anacamptis without a problem where he's at. I was counting on getting seedlings of Anacamptis morio from a lab that sowed the seeds I got from Terrorchid.org, but before the plants were ready, the owner of the lab passed away. I never got the seedlings and I can't contact anybody to get a hold of them.

This is why I recommended what I recommended. I didn't recommend plants I thought most people would not be able to get to the 1 year mark or get to see bloom.
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The fungus is not commercially available. It is difficult to obtain.
Yeah, it's probably in a lab somewhere and it takes special paperwork to request it or whatever. Maybe somebody at the Academy of Sciences would know how to get such things.
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Maybe. If you can gain access to their resources, give it a try.

The fungus that Thelys have a relationship with is known, and it is not a huge secret either, I just don't remember what the name of the fungus is (I can only get it down to the genus name only, if I can remember...).

---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:43 PM ----------

I found the genus name - Tulasnella.

---------- Post added 05-01-2013 at 12:16 AM ---------- Previous post was 04-30-2013 at 11:48 PM ----------

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Some time before June.
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The only one to still be alive from this order is Disa sagittalis. This one wanted to bloom, but for some reason, the flower spike never grew out - (might've been because of the need to adjust to living here). This species of Disa is winter growing, summer dormant.
Last to go for me - came out of dormancy, grew leaves, but never new tubers. In the wild, this one is semi-evergreen, losing its leaves only in harsh, dry summers.

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The first to go was probably Disa chrysostachya
first to go for me, too. never came out of dormancy

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Thelymitra megacalyptra did the same damn thing that Thelymitra aff. frenchii did. It grew a leaf, and then it died.
I didn't order any from Beyrle, but the Thelymitras I ordered from Nesbitt did the same thing

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Brownleea coerulea was another one of those out of season purchases.
This one is starting to come out of dormancy for me.

I bought several Ophrys from Beyrle last time, too:
2 heterochila (1 still alive, the other rotted without coming out of dormancy)
2 lutea (1 bloomed - still alive, the other rotted)
2 omegaifera (both still alive)
2 umbilicata (both rotted)

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Kip has an Anacamptis, he was able to grow Anacamptis without a problem where he's at.
Not entirely without a problem - it only seems to bloom when it's dormant (the roots are gone, and the tubers are no longer attached to the stem, so it's just a quickly fading rosette of leaves with a short lived spike). It does bloom reliably, and produce new tubers reliably, but I'll never be able to get seed out of it until I figure out the problem.

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My Disa sagittalis was about to put out a new growth from the base. The small growth didn't make it, and I'm not too sure why. That was during the period of time when I had no life and couldn't even manage to get enough sleep. It was too difficult to monitor what was going on.

The mother plant is still alive, and from what I gather, it could make it to the next winter season.
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