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Old 09-05-2007, 05:44 PM
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just to let you know that this is why it is impossible to id a phal hybrid with out the correct name. i have a Phal. class president which is a very old hybrid made back in the late 60's by hausermann. the list into making this goes all the way back to 1927. as you can see by the list that this is why there is no one that can id a noid by a picture regardless of how much they appear similar, and by switching one of these around would change this all together

Phal class president

Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Class President
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
James Hausermann
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Spica
Registrant

Hausermann


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Spica
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
fasciata
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
lueddemanniana
Registrant

Osgood


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

James Hausermann
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Samba
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Edythe Wood
Registrant

Hausermann



Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Samba
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Star of Rio
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
amboinensis
Registrant

Sanders



Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Star of Rio
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Bataan
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
lueddemanniana
Registrant

Morgenstern


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Bataan
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
amabilis
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
aphrodite
Registrant

Rapella


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Edythe Wood
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Grace Palm
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Princess Grace
Registrant

Wood



Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Princess Grace
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Cast Iron Monarch
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Grace Palm
Registrant

Freed


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Cast Iron Monarch
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Louise Georgianna
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Doris
Registrant

Kwr.


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Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Louise Georgianna
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Doris
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Venustus
Registrant

Kwr.



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Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Winged Victory
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Elisabethae
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
La Canada
Registrant

Orchid Research




Phalaenopsis

Epithet

Venustus
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Elisabethae
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
Gilles Gratiot
Registrant

V.

Originator

V.
Date of registration

1/1/1933


Genus

Phalaenopsis
Epithet

Elisabethae
Seed Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
amabilis
Pollen Parent

Genus
Phalaenopsis

Epithet
rimestadiana
Registrant

V.

Originator

V.
Date of registration

1/1/1927
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It is impossible to ID a NOID but some like to have a name that bears resemblance to keep track of what they have .. I think 'My Little NOID' is a perfect name for any orphaned orchid
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:20 PM
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:02 AM
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I didn't quite understand that long list, but in any case, can't there be some sort of notation, like "HLL Phal. Class President" to mean "hybrid that looks like Phal. Class President"? I'm going to use that.

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Old 10-30-2013, 06:39 AM
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I didn't quite understand that long list, but in any case, can't there be some sort of notation, like "HLL Phal. Class President" to mean "hybrid that looks like Phal. Class President"? I'm going to use that.
You can create any sort of notation/labeling you'd like for your own reference...it's just not something you'd want to use formally. But, if something like that helps you keep track of things...go for it.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:30 AM
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I have a couple of NOID Phals that I have nicknames for.

One is a very large white Phal that was a cast-off from a friend that just did not want to bother getting it to re-bloom - nickname "Big White"

The other is a NOID that for a few years has reliably bloomed around Mother's Day - nickname "Mother's Day Phal"

A good reason for trying to assign a "looks like" name to a plant (as wisechild suggested) may be to get a better handle on the culture needed. For example, I have some Paphiopedilums that are clearly a Maudiae type; mine have names, but if they did not, I would take care of them like a Maudiae, based on appearance. As dennis points out, it would probably be difficult to judge the species that might have gone into producing a Phal hybrid, based on appearance, due to the long history of complex hybridization in Phalaenopsis (same goes for many other genera, such as Cattleya types).
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:48 PM
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Using the registry, I traced back the entire lineage of my potinara Dick Smith. Going back through every family tree branch, in the end it has 285 ancestors spread over 23 species. For instance C. dowiana was used a bunch and represents 33.4% of the genes. But to exactly duplicate the 'Dick Smith' gene percentage from scratch in the same way it was made would require over 150 breedings. And even then it wouldn't even look the same, if you started from scratch with the species because different genes would fall out.

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Using the registry, I traced back the entire lineage of my potinara Dick Smith. Going back through every family tree branch, in the end it has 285 ancestors spread over 23 species. For instance C. dowiana was used a bunch and represents 33.4% of the genes. But to exactly duplicate the 'Dick Smith' gene percentage from scratch in the same way it was made would require over 150 breedings. And even then it wouldn't even look the same, if you started from scratch with the species because different genes would fall out.
Not to mention that you would not have the original clones that were used to produce the crosses in the first place...
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All my noids are giving numbers to go along with a pic of the flower or plant, it helps me keep track of who's who's
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