can't make out the label

[fredr]

Can anybody ID what I'm reading but which must not be right?

I see: L. anne barina x Blc Bouton D'Or

That first part could be anything including clune barina.

I would like to create a proper label for this orchid

Fred

[fredr]

I think I may have it: L. Cinnabarina x Blc Bouton D'Or

[Dorothy]

Ok .. here we go ...
First let's tackle Blc Bouton D'Or
According to RHS .. it is now called
Thwaitesara Bouton D'Or
= Cattlianthe Wolteriana X Rhynchosophrocattleya Buttercup

Thwaitesara (Thw.) is an hybrid orchid comprising of Cattleya, Guarianthe, Rhyncholaelia and Sophronitis.
Cattlianthe (Ctt.) is an hybrid orchid comprised of Cattleya and Guarianthe.
Guarianthe is the new name of 4 cattleya -
Guarianthe aurantiaca
Guarianthe bowringiana
Guarianthe patinii
Guarianthe skinneri
These have been separated from Cattleya based on phylogenetic studies with DNA sequence data.

Most but not all Brassolaeliocattleya are now Rhynchosophrocattleya

So you have you are right with L. cinnabarina
So what you have is
Thwaitesara Bouton D'Or x L. cinnabarina
cinnabarina is lower case as it is a species laelia and not a hybrid ..
If you like I have the lineage to Thw. Bouton D'Or .. you can see how the genealogy ends up with species orchids with a few hybrids in between ..

[Grandma M]

How is that for an answer? Leave it to Dorothy to have the correct info at her fingertips.

[fredr]

I guess I have to make a new label now: Thwaitesara Bouton D'Or x L. cinnabarina

As far as the genealogy goes, let me just get the names straight for what I have. This Thwaite thing is a whole new concept for me. Thanks for trying to clear it up though. :-)

[Dorothy]

Same for me Fred ... the taxonomical changes are enough to drive anyone crazy!

[cneos]

Originally Posted by Dorothy

Same for me Fred ... the taxonomical changes are enough to drive anyone crazy!

Those taxonomists sure have things in a stir!

Your plant - L. cinnabarina x Blc. Bouton d'Or - was originally registered in 1983 by Dr. Ben Berliner as Blc. Sweet Claire.

L. cinnabarina was renamed Sophronitis cinnabarina; Blc. is now Thwaitesara (anything ending in 'ara' means at least three genera are 'in the mix').

RHS revised their database to appease the taxonomists and confuse us all.

You would be correct to label the plant as Blc. Sweet Claire or as Thwaitesara Sweey Claire.

[fredr]

Originally Posted by cneos

Those taxonomists sure have things in a stir!

Your plant - L. cinnabarina x Blc. Bouton d'Or - was originally registered in 1983 by Dr. Ben Berliner as Blc. Sweet Claire.

You would be correct to label the plant as Blc. Sweet Claire or as Thwaitesara Sweey Claire.

So in effect once a hybrid cross gets registered it assumes that name with the original cross listed only in some records books somewhere? I'm all for shorter names as I always have trouble writing these long crosses on the small labels I use. The permanent ink pen writings are always too fat. I guess I should now make a third label for that orchid and stick in in the pot with the others just to confuse me in the future. :-)

Fred

[cneos]

Originally Posted by fredr

So in effect once a hybrid cross gets registered it assumes that name with the original cross listed only in some records books somewhere? I'm all for shorter names as I always have trouble writing these long crosses on the small labels I use. The permanent ink pen writings are always too fat. I guess I should now make a third label for that orchid and stick in in the pot with the others just to confuse me in the future. :-)

Fred

In their 2008 catalog, Carter and Holmes writes

"A word about names: The RHS is in the process of changing the names of many intergeneric hybrids in the cattleyas. We (C&H) have chosen to retain the names in common usage for the past 100 years."

In a commercial operation, changing hundreds of thousands of labels is an expense that would ultimately be passed on to the consumer.

Similarly, AOS will not be changing their 75 years + of awards records either.

What makes sense is that RHS and AOS chose a specific date after which the new names apply (to new registrations) and that they cross-reference this info.