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Old 10-13-2020, 06:44 AM
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Why the RHS duplicate registered ?

RHS have two Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet,

(1) Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet 1996
Phalaenopsis Ta Lin Freeds × Phalaenopsis Sun Princess

(2) Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet 2009
Phalaenopsis Sogo Genki × Phalaenopsis Little Gem Stripes

RHS must be logout one,
How to contact RHS ? I am not a member of RHS,
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A mistake.

They will not fix it.
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It was easy to make database mistakes before computerization. Computers now allow mistakes to be made even faster.
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Another possibility is that the older one was a hybrid with something that used to be a separate genus (like Doritis making Doritanopsis) When Doritis was lumped into Phalaenopsis (other genera too, but this was a big one) it would create ambiguities. At the time of registration they would have been two different genera so the same grex name would not have been a duplicate. (Happens in the Cattleya world too in a big way) The registration date becomes the only distinguishing feature. (Orchidwiz uses the registration date to resolve ambiguities that otherwise totally mess up databases)
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I see,
They will not fix it.

There are many similar errors,
Cattleya Dominiana 1859
Cattleya intermedia × Cattleya maxima

Cattleya Dominiana 1899
Cattleya dowiana × Cattleya purpurata

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They can't fix it... this is the best they can do. It's not an error, it is the result of reclassifying genera based on DNA analysis, that is where the science leads us. For instance, "Cattleya" purpurata is known to most of us as Laelia purpurata. So it used to be Lc Dominiana... no problem. With the purpurata now classified as Cattleya, what used to work fine (Genus + grex = name) is now ambiguous. So the only way to sort it out is to add another piece of information to say, "We mean THAT one" - and the date of registration seems to work.

In the species world, this gets resolved by changing the species epithet. So Sophronitis bicolor worked fine until it became Cattleya... but there already WAS a Cattleya bicolor. So now the little one is Cattleya dichroma (switch from Latin to Greek) There are many others where it isn't so straightforward. But the reclassifications have caused all sorts of havoc with registrations.
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Why the RHS duplicate registered ?

RHS have two Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet,

(1) Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet 1996
Phalaenopsis Ta Lin Freeds × Phalaenopsis Sun Princess

(2) Phalaenopsis Taida Sweet 2009
Phalaenopsis Sogo Genki × Phalaenopsis Little Gem Stripes

RHS must be logout one,
How to contact RHS ? I am not a member of RHS,
Hi Geometri ------ there is no duplicate.

In computing language or any database language ....

There is a difference between the two sets of words below:

Taida Sweet 1996

and

Taida Sweet 2009

It will be like Pope John Paul I and Pope John Paul II. They are not the same. Not duplicates.

When there is a clash of base names, such as Taida Sweet ...... then it will be important to add extra labels ---- or to come up with some system, to mark the distinction or difference between the 'two' clashing ones.
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I agree with Roberta and Southpark, that there is no duplicate, and the identical names are most than likely the result of reclassification of the genera. I looked it up a bit, and the first Taida Sweet was classified as a Dtps (Doritaenopsis) before. Doritis has been lumped into phalaenopsis, making Dtps Taida Sweet a Phal Taida Sweet. Thus the year appended to the name.

The same is probably true of the Cattleya 'duplicate' you spotted, the entire Cattleya group has been put on its head in recent years. Many Cattleya related genera have either been merged, split or renamed, creating utter chaos in the hybrid intergeneric names.
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Cattleya José Martí 'Mother's Favorite' and
Cattleya Mother's Favorite are both Bob Betts x Bow Bells
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Hmmm. When I look up the cross Bob Betts x Bow Bells in Orchidwiz, it comes up as José Martí. If I look up Mother's Favourite (note spelling) it shows up as a synonym for José Martí . Since Orchidwiz uses the RHS database as its data source, they may have straightened that one out.


Checked the AOS database. it shows José Martí 'Mother's Favorite' ( American spelling) as awarded cultivar. A search there on Mother's Favorite only finds it as a cultivar. Mother's Favourite (British spelling) doesn't come up at all on AOS but is referenced in Orchidwiz as an alias, so it must have been in the RHS database at some time.

---------- Post added at 08:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:33 PM ----------

Checked the RHS database... it is listed as a synonym. Here is the entry (formatting got lost in the copy/paste operation)

Genus
Cattleya
Epithet
Mother's Favourite
Synonym Flag
This is a synonym
Registrant Name
O/U
Originator Name
Fields Orchids
Date of registration
01/01/1990
Seed parent Pollen parent
Genus Cattleya Cattleya
Epithet Bob Betts Bow Bells
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