Indoor Orchidarium Build
Login
User Name
Password   


Registration is FREE. Click to become a member of OrchidBoard community
(You're NOT logged in)

menu menu

Sponsor
Donate Now
and become
Forum Supporter.

Indoor Orchidarium Build
Many perks!
<...more...>


Sponsor
 

Google


Fauna Top Sites
Register Indoor Orchidarium Build Members Indoor Orchidarium Build Indoor Orchidarium Build Today's PostsIndoor Orchidarium Build Indoor Orchidarium Build Indoor Orchidarium Build
LOG IN/REGISTER TO CLOSE THIS ADVERTISEMENT
Go Back   Orchid Board - Most Complete Orchid Forum on the web ! > >
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-17-2019, 01:56 AM
sesh sesh is offline
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default Indoor Orchidarium Build

Hi everyone!

Sharing my Journey building my indoor Orchidarium here.
At this stage I would not call myself a beginner, nor an expert.

I began this in 2018, soon after I realized that my Windowsill Orchidarium was not going to materialize. A lot of learning was carried over, though.

My aims were simple :
To grow AND FLOWER orchids under completely artificial lighting.
I did not want to grow them in shelves, nor did I want to enclose them completely in an aquarium type of enclosure.

So I began the build by building the framework.

Indoor Orchidarium Build-screenshot_162-jpg

After the framework was done, I started on the lights.

At this point, I wasn’t sure it was going to work, so decided to go with Chinese stuff as they are cheap.

Here the aim was to achieve the Required intensity at the plant while the light remains at the top.
The solution was, of course, Lenses. Bought some stuff from Aliexpress.

Indoor Orchidarium Build-screenshot_163-jpg
Indoor Orchidarium Build-screenshot_166-jpg
Then tested the lights.
Indoor Orchidarium Build-screenshot_165-jpg

Then, to hold everything together, I machined a couple of MDF profiles.

Indoor Orchidarium Build-20191216_143848-jpg

And then put 16 of them up and the plants underneath, and crossed my fingers! They've been there for 10 months now, not doing so badly.
Indoor Orchidarium Build-20191201_111723-jpg

Troubleshooting:
My electronics took some time to stabilize, with a single bead of one light blowing every other day. I literally tore my hair out, trying to figure out where the problem was. Turned out there were multiple factors.

Drivers: A series of nine of the beads I had chosen needed 54-63V to run. I found the voltage the drivers were giving out would randomly go up even to 75v. So I junked the Chinese drivers, and bought some Indian ones where the voltage was ‘capped’ at 70v. That reduced the frequency of lights blowing, but it was still happening.
The heatsinks: I had cobbled together a bunch of heatsinks, from various sources. For me, this video was a life saver:
. When I compared my heatsinks, I found they were of varying thicknesses, and had different number of fins. When I tested the light with the thicker heatsinks, they would get hot, but no lights would blow. So changed all the thinner ones to fatter ones. Again, the frequency of beads went down, but would not go away all together.
Testing versus actual: I bought a cheap temperature sensor, and started checking the temperature of the heatsinks when the lights were on. I found out from the Aliexpress product page that I should aim at keeping it under 60 Degrees celsius. I found that there was quite a difference between testing it on my table, and testing it in place among all the other light, as the ambient temperature among the lights was greater.
Fans: Some of the fans would malfunction, causing a bead to blow.

I realized that I needed some kind of safety switch that would put the lights off when they became too hot.

Indoor Orchidarium Build-20191216_145211-jpg

Found these online: Bimetal thermostat switches. These are very cheap(Rs.30 each), and I connected one to the electronics of each light, and Voila! I now have 10 days without a single bead blowing!
If anyone is dabbling with DIY leds as a beginner, I would seriously recommend adding this to your light as a safety device. Saves a lot of time and effort. I’m sure people have done this before, but since I have no background in electronics, I ‘discovered’ this component only a month ago!


Once the lights stabilized, I could get on with the business of actually growing my orchids, which is after all, the whole point!

Next was humidity.
I had used a couple of transparent shower curtains in the front, to hold the humidity in. Big mistake. When I started taking readings, I found that the LEDs burn very dry. So the humidity outside the Orchidarium was greater than the humidity inside (I live in Mumbai, after all). So got rid of the shower curtains.

Now the humidity is much better, and I spray according to the humidity meter. Some of the tolumnias right on top are budding.

I have a long way to go go yet before I get my Cattleyas, Dendrobiums and Vandas to flower, but now looks like there is hope.
I have learnt a lot from this forum though I don’t post very often. I felt sharing my experience would be useful to someone else who was beginning something like this, to avoid/learn from my mistakes..
I will be grateful if the experts here can give feedback and suggest improvements, some of which I will be able to implement immediately, and others in Version.2.

Looking forward to hearing from you guys, and many thanks again.

Regards,
Seshadri
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-17-2019, 07:34 AM
Ray's Avatar
Ray Ray is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2005
Member of:AOS
Location: Oak Island NC
Posts: 14,817
Indoor Orchidarium Build Male
Default

Why are you overdriving the LEDs like that? The listing you showed had a max of 3.4-34 volts, depending upon the particular chip...
__________________
Ray Barkalow, Orchid Iconoclast
FIRSTRAYS.COM
Try Kelpak - you won't be sorry!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-17-2019, 08:35 AM
DirtyCoconuts's Avatar
DirtyCoconuts DirtyCoconuts is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Sep 2019
Zone: 10b
Location: South Florida, East Coast
Posts: 5,838
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

Project is looking good. Quite ambitious.
__________________
All the ways I grow are dictated by the choices I have made and the environment in which I live. Please listen and act accordingly
--------------------------------------------------------------
Rooted in South Florida....

Zone 10b, Baby! Hot and wet

#MoreFlowers Insta
#MoreFlowers Flickr
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-17-2019, 08:49 AM
sesh sesh is offline
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray View Post
Why are you overdriving the LEDs like that? The listing you showed had a max of 3.4-34 volts, depending upon the particular chip...
Hi Ray,
Apologies for not being clear. The listing was all the beads I was considering at that point in time... all the way from 1W to 100W. I finally settled on the 5W beads, highlighted in yellow. They use 6-7v per bead. So a series of nine needs 54-63V. When I changed my drivers to the Indian ones, I went with 600mA drivers, so that they run slightly under their max rating.
Regards,
Seshadri.

---------- Post added at 07:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:17 PM ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyCoconuts View Post
Project is looking good. Quite ambitious.
Thank you
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-17-2019, 09:08 AM
Paphluvr's Avatar
Paphluvr Paphluvr is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Mar 2011
Zone: 5a
Location: Base of the "Thumb", MI, USA
Posts: 1,417
Indoor Orchidarium Build Male
Default

Regarding Ray's question, I'd sure like to see the design of the pcb the LEDs are mounted on. Are you sure that they are in series and not parallel? Series would be unusual. If one fails they all go out.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-17-2019, 10:18 AM
sesh sesh is offline
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paphluvr View Post
Regarding Ray's question, I'd sure like to see the design of the pcb the LEDs are mounted on. Are you sure that they are in series and not parallel? Series would be unusual. If one fails they all go out.
Yes, thats correct. If one bead blows, that one light goes off. I am comfortable with that, as I dont have a great knowledge of electronics to design failsafes. That one bead putting out the lamp for me was my first line of defence.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-17-2019, 06:47 PM
Orchidking Orchidking is offline
Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 31
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

looks good but personally I would have enclosed it. Long term orchids like high humidity - houses do not.

Houses should be under 60% humidity to prevent mould growing on walls. Orchids raise humidity lots.

An enclosure is expensive and costly but worth it. Well for me it is.

Spending my time building a light that can be bought for a few dollars is not
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-18-2019, 03:02 AM
ArronOB ArronOB is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Central Coast, NSW
Posts: 504
Indoor Orchidarium Build Male
Default

I know nothing about growing in such a high-tec setup and can’t comment on growing indoors. My question is just - why?

Your profile says you’re in India. Wouldn’t most of India have an ideal climate for growing outdoors - free?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-18-2019, 03:19 AM
sesh sesh is offline
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

Hi.
Firstly the humidity.

@ArronOB, Yes, I live in Mumbai, where it is extremely humid all year round, except for three months in winter when it drops to 40-50%. An open area would be wonderful. I had one, but do not have access to that space anymore. My apartment doesn't allow plants in the windowsill. (The Windowsill Orchidarium Project)

@Orchidking, I had initially closed the front with a shower curtain, and I found that was keeping the humidity out, rather than in! So I removed it. Now the humidity is between 60-80%, there is good air movement, media dries out in between waterings, and I give regular applications of fertilizer. There was a long period when I did not realize the humidity was being kept out, so the plants did suffer, and last month, I removed each one, cleaned them up of pests that had latched on when they were weak, gave a fungicide pesticide dip, and put them back up. Now they are recovering. I could see they were happier within 2 days of removing the curtain.


Next for the lights.
Here’s a sketch to illustrate my intent.
Indoor Orchidarium Build-lensing-lights-jpg

I want to keep all the lights on the top, so the entire front is open. The idea is to use lensing to ‘push’ the light for longer distances to achieve this. I have broadly divided the growing area into three. ‘A’ is closest to the lights, so these lights will use lenses with broad cones, ‘B’ with medium cones and ‘C’ with narrow cones. (Maybe 60, 45, and 15. I am still experimenting with lenses so dont have numbers to share).
Cattleyas and tolumneas will be in ‘A’, Phals in ‘B’, and dendrobiums in ‘C’.
The thing was, I had no idea how many light I was going to end up needing. 10 lights, or 50. I would know only once flowering happens.
The process was going to be, put some lights up, see how the plants like it, and if they need, add more.

Here’s the breakup of the cost of the materials for the lights
Indoor Orchidarium Build-component-costs-jpg

This is the ‘in hand’ cost, after shipping and customs. I did not find any ready-made lights of this power in this price range (or even slightly more), with white full spectrum, and with the variable lensing that I needed. Since this is a hobby, it was ok for me if the cost kept going up by multiples of $17. Having said that, new products are constantly hitting the market, and the moment I see something ready-made like this, I will immediately start using them. If you have any recommendations, I will be very grateful.

Regards
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-18-2019, 03:33 AM
sesh sesh is offline
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 17
Indoor Orchidarium Build
Default

I just realized that I haven't given any dimensions. The growing area is 9feet wide, 5feet high and 2 feet deep.
The light are above this.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
found, heatsinks, humidity, light, lights


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need advice for a newbie build ValorieBoyer Growing Under Lights 1 08-12-2014 10:50 PM
HF 10 x 12 Poly Carb Greenhouse build Polarizeme Greenhouse Gardening 30 05-20-2014 09:50 AM
Here is what it costs to build a cold tank Jeff9 Terrarium Gardening 4 04-29-2011 06:40 PM
Have to build a big orchidarium...pls help moria0672 Growing Under Lights 32 04-19-2008 09:54 PM
Fertilizer build up on s/h medium question Becca Semi-Hydroponic Culture 8 11-25-2007 02:58 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:46 AM.

© 2007 OrchidBoard.com
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.37 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Clubs vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.