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Old 09-04-2019, 08:35 PM
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you cannot claim you have experienced everything you have preached.
Anything that I haven't experienced (and I have experienced a lot in the orchid-growing process) I have observed, or discussed with people who know a lot more than I do. (I have had the privilege of knowing some outstanding orchid experts... they have taught me a lot, and occasionally I have given them some new knowledge,also) Swimmingorchids, check out my website Roberta's Orchids, you might learn something. (Yes, those are all my photos of my plants).

I also use "maybe", "perhaps", and similar qualifiers a lot, especially when I am guessing at someone else's conditions and applying concepts that I do know, in an unknown situation. And if I know that I DON'T have a record of success at something I have tried (such as deflasking seedlings) I'm not going to give advice about it... we have several contributors who have done this a lot, successfully, and they are the ones who will give GOOD information. A new grower is not in a good position to separate out the information from people who actually do have experience and knowledge from the musings of those who don't.(The Internet is full of both good and bad information, and it takes a base of knowledge to tell the difference) If you spread misinformation you'll be called on it.
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thats fine Roberta

I know I have personality issues but I have never clashed so much with a set of people before and its all down to me willing to try something new vs what all other orchid experts are doing and like you say the need of everyone to gasp and shout about it.

Lets not forget these orchid experts were the ones using soil to start with till they realised soil is no good.

I have come to the conclusion that spagnum moss is sparsely better than soil but that is my personal opinion and again not common consensus among experts who love the stuff. I prefer coco and perlite so far.

But this post is not about posting any misinformation as all I did post was that nobiles need a rest period with reduced temps.

I actually personally believe that ferts will not be a trigger for flowering whatsoever and what I have gathered form SaraJean's post it was reduced watering that made the difference in year 2 for her.

I might not have the answers that headbanger is looking for. What surprises me is that people that have been growing orchids for years and have known people before them growing for years that still don't have the answers either

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Old 09-05-2019, 06:54 AM
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thats fine Roberta

I know I have personality issues but I have never clashed so much with a set of people before and its all down to me willing to try something new vs what all other orchid experts are doing and like you say the need of everyone to gasp and shout about it.
No, I believe the "clashes" occur because you profess to knowing what you're talking about (with only one year of experience), but your statements prove otherwise. You'll note that pretty much anyone else here is capable of carrying on a civil conversation so we can learn from each other.

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Lets not forget these orchid experts were the ones using soil to start with till they realised soil is no good.
Here's another example of your issues: How can you possibly know what ANY of us has done? Personally, I've never tried to grow an epiphytic orchid in soil, because I read up on the plants when I began, and am open-minded enough to actually listen to folks that know more than I, and there are plenty of them on this forum.

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I have come to the conclusion that spagnum moss is sparsely better than soil but that is my personal opinion and again not common consensus among experts who love the stuff. I prefer coco and perlite so far.
At least this comment shows that it has occurred to you that others might have different but valid opinions, but I wonder if you grasp the reasons why.

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I actually personally believe that ferts will not be a trigger for flowering whatsoever and what I have gathered form SaraJean's post it was reduced watering that made the difference in year 2 for her.
This has nothing to do with "personal beliefs". It's science.

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I might not have the answers that headbanger is looking for. What surprises me is that people that have been growing orchids for years and have known people before them growing for years that still don't have the answers either
Yet another example of your issues - your unwillingness to acknowledge that others may actually know more about a subject than do you. No wonder it's confusing to you.
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I might not have the answers that headbanger is looking for. What surprises me is that people that have been growing orchids for years and have known people before them growing for years that still don't have the answers either
I think the main problem is that when it comes to specifics, most growing advice is subjective. The goal is the same but how that is achieved is all based on that individual persons growing conditions. Sphagnum doesnít work well for you, yet it works great for someone else. I canít give many of my orchids as much light as someone who may live further north, but I can probably give more light than someone who lives a very low humidity area.

Same thing about you mentioning that it is the reduced water that probably made the difference for me. I would agree with this except many others need to water, at varying frequency, their Dens though out the winter rest. I donít need to, so I donít bother. Someone elseís conditions might mean they water once or twice a week. The goal is the same; itís not necessary to completely dehydrate a resting Den in order to make it bloom. Another observation, I tried one of my semi-nobile types in semi-hydro. I kept the reservoir full all winter and I just used plain distilled or reverse osmosis water for it. It bloomed fine since it wasnít getting fed. Thatís why I asked what your experience had been since you stated in your initial post that fertilizer triggers blooms. Especially since if I fertilize too early the only thing it seems to trigger is keikies. If youíve had a different experience, please share it! If you had a brain fart (which we all have at times), not a big deal. Itís not always about clashing, itís more about learning.
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