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Old 01-11-2015, 10:39 AM
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Hello All

Google has not been of much help because my query might be worded wrong; and the AnTech lab pages are beginning to have broken/missing links.

Please teach me the differences between the different color forms of maudiae-type hybrids -- specifically the difference between coloratum and flamea types.

I understand the alba --green and white types
And I think I understand the vini-color types = without any white and green?

It is those inbetween types --coloratum, and flamea-- I need help with.

This is for a short presentation at my local orchid society. I'm just beginning slippers, and find them quite interesting.

Pictures would help immensely--something I would be allowed to share with my society.

Thanks a million

Rex W. Ulmer
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Alba, coloratum, and vini are three color groups.

Vini often comes with white picotee on the dorsal and varying degree of green on the petals or near the center of the flowers, although some are completely dark all throughout.

Coloratum has all these colors mixed in one flower.
Flame is a term used to describe the way how dorsal is colored. Sometimes people call it peacock or flame, as in many callosum species.

I'm posting some classic examples of coloratum which all have a flame on the dorsal.

The first is a hybrid from the latter two hybrids, and all these are coloratum.

Also, these color groups do not cover many other hybrids because color combinations vary a lot!

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Hey NYCorchidman
Thanks a Million!

Question, tho: What does a non-flame coloratum look like? definition?

And, vinicolor can have some white, too??
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I guess my description was bad. lol
Coloratums without the flame will have dorsal whose color distribution is even all throughout.

Do you see that band of wine color fanning across the mid section of the entire dorsal in the first picture above? That feature is what is meant by flame.
It is not as obvious in the other two flowers, but it's still there. I'm not sure if this is better.

Many (or should I say vast majority) coloratums have flame.
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Thanks
I can see that most coloratums are indeed flame. Guess the next question is why the added moniker?

Thanks for your time and trouble to answer my questions.

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I don't think I get that last question?
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Okay, I can see why have sellers, and hybridizers used the term "flame." But, I've seen both "flame" and "coloratum" in the same catalogue it seems. To those who do that, there seems to be a difference? Why not just declare that coloratums = flame = peacock?

This is the confusion I am hoping to address in my little talk. Since I don't know the history, I asked the question here in the forum. Thanks for your prompt reply!

Anyway, the part you haven't mentioned was if white is allowed in vinicolor.

Thanks again

Rex

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Okay, I can see why have sellers, and hybridizers used the term "flame." But, I've seen both "flame" and "coloratum" in the same catalogue it seems. To those who do that, there seems to be a difference? Why not just declare that coloratums = flame = peacock?

This is the confusion I am hoping to address in my little talk. Since I don't know the history, I asked the question here in the forum. Thanks for your prompt reply!

Anyway, the part you haven't mentioned was if white is allowed in vinicolor.

Thanks again

Rex
Names come from 80-100 years ago. Maudiae (= callosum x lawrenceanum), the colored version was given the 'coloratum' moniker to distinguish it from the alba version.

The vinicolor types have dark stripes on the dorsal, but the white is a flushed wine color. They are generally without white on the dorsal, but I seem to recall seeing a few that were not solidly wine, but had a little white along the edge of the dorsal.
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