New no ID Cymbidium - Orchid Board

Keithj · #1 10-11-2018, 09:11 AM

I saw some Cymbidiums for sale at a garden centre a few weeks ago but didn’t buy then as we had a ten-day break coming up. We went again today and I found one left at a reduced price. One spike is dried out, the second’s flowers have all gone over but most of the flowers on the third spike are still open. There’s a fourth spike that’s all buds but it doesn’t look happy and I doubt that it will do well.

The compost was absolutely bone dry.

On the bright side, it has three mature pseudobulbs and four new growths of some sort. One is definitely a new pseudobulb but the others are barely poking through the surface of the compost so we’ll see how they develop.

I reckon the flowers are lovely and I’m already looking forward to seeing it in its full glory next year.

Keith

WaterWitchin · #2 10-11-2018, 09:37 AM

Yeppers, that'll be a real beauty by next year... Nice NoIDea pickup!!

Keithj · #3 11-06-2018, 04:30 AM

It's now got an ID!

There was a booklet-style label with the plant that gave the original grower as Orchidiva in the Netherlands so I did the obvious thing and asked. They told me that it was C. 'florisun sixs', I can find C. 'florisun' on-line so I'll take that for a start and keep looking!

It has three new pseudobulb growths and, because I bought it in flower, I thought that would be it until this time next year but I might be lucky. As I was watering yesterday I spotted a new growth poking through the compost. This one is quite unlike the other three as it is red rather than green, rounded rather than flattened and has a flat tip instead of a pointed one. With a bit of luck I'll have flowers for Christmas.

Deck the halls with pots of Cymbidium?

Keith

Paphluvr · #4 11-06-2018, 07:35 AM

Very pretty! I only wish I had the right conditions (and space) to grow these. Nice pick-up.

Cym Ladye · #5 11-10-2018, 03:15 PM

Keith, I hate to be a naysayer on this name but there is no Cymbidium registered with the RHS with the name Cym Florisun Sixes. I suspect it is a commercial name the company uses on one of its mericlones instead of registering the real name and parents. Use the name for your ID but understand it is not the registered name of the plant with parental ID.

Enjoy it but be sure you get it outside as soon as your area is free from frost. Just a note: A plant may look bone dry on the top of the mix but drowning at the bottom of the pot. Be sure you do not over water it. Too much water will kill a Cymbidium far faster than allowing it to get too dry! Good Luck

Keithj · #6 11-10-2018, 06:12 PM

C. 'florisun' is yellow whereas mine is white but, for what it's worth, the red markings look very similar. It will be interesting to see what colour the flowers are on this new spike as and when it flowers.

It's currently in the conservatory which has some heating but not enough to do much more than keep the temperature from getting down to freezing. Until this year I haven't needed a max/min thermometer but I can say that the fuchsias and pelargoniums we bring in when the frosts are imminent stay in leaf and often stay in flower through the winter so the Cymbidiums should be fine. Just now the daytime temperatures are getting into the mid to high teens Celsius and the nights are 10-13.

I'm watering all the plants when the compost feel dry to the touch. I don't think the florisun is staying too wet because it's growing so well. Two of the three new growths are rocketing away. The third has not grown anything like as well but there is what I believe is a flower spike (from its very different shape) growing between it and the mature pseudobulb which may well explain it.

Keith

Cym Ladye · #7 11-11-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Keithj

C. 'florisun' is yellow whereas mine is white but, for what it's worth, the red markings look very similar. It will be interesting to see what colour the flowers are on this new spike as and when it flowers.

Keith

"Looking similar" is definitely NOT THE SAME when comparing flowers or parts of them, as lips. Seedlings of a cross may vary slightly in color but mericlones should not. Call it whatever name you wish and enjoy it, just know it is not a registered cross with the RHS, which may not even be important to you.

jcec1 · #8 11-11-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Keithj

It's now got an ID!

There was a booklet-style label with the plant that gave the original grower as Orchidiva in the Netherlands so I did the obvious thing and asked. They told me that it was C. 'florisun sixs', I can find C. 'florisun' on-line so I'll take that for a start and keep looking!

It has three new pseudobulb growths and, because I bought it in flower, I thought that would be it until this time next year but I might be lucky. As I was watering yesterday I spotted a new growth poking through the compost. This one is quite unlike the other three as it is red rather than green, rounded rather than flattened and has a flat tip instead of a pointed one. With a bit of luck I'll have flowers for Christmas.

Deck the halls with pots of Cymbidium?

Keith

Cymbidium Florisun*Floricultura*registered hybrid June 15, 1993 (RHS)

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Keithj · #9 11-11-2018, 03:48 PM

Whatever it is, it is not the standard C. florisun. IF it comes from the Floricultura stable then the nearest appears to be Earlisnow.

"Earlisnow"

As far as I'm concerned it's a beautiful orchid that I hope to keep for many years to come, My search for a name is so that, if it's ever needed for a display for the East Midlands OS it can be given a label and be judged. Yes, it can go as a "Cymbidium hybrid" but I'm told that means both the plant and the display get marked down.

As an aside, as I browsed their website I found that they sell both the Cymbidiums I bought earlier this year as young plants from Burnham Orchids: Parnasse and Bartolme Ferrello 'Silver'. In a few years' time I should have some great displays at this time of year.

"Parnasse"

Bartolme Ferrello "Silver"

Keith

Cym Ladye · #10 11-15-2018, 05:58 PM

Bartolme Ferrello is a cross of (Dorchester x Babylon) registered in California in 1961 by now closed Dos Pueblos Orchids of Carpenteria. This makes it 57 years old. 'Silver' is apparently a cultivar name.

I can find no registration under the name of 'Parnasse' so it is either a cultivar name or a "trade" name, which growers often use. Antique Cyms of that vintage with that open form certainly have their followers but generally are not considered "show" plants in today's orchid shows, unless exceptionally well grown with classes provided for them.