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11-02-2010, 05:58 AM
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11-02-2010, 12:03 PM
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Didnt take a picture of my PPGS but it was a very typical PPGS. Here is a hybrid with a very typical shape and lip of its PPGS parent. The lip is really extremly close to PPGS. Cym Valerie Absolonova pictures from flowers photos on webshots |
11-02-2010, 12:07 PM
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One more vote agreeing with Bob and Orchids3. In my opinion, this is not PPG 2n or 4n. Color and slight variation in lip markings can occur with light but not to this extent. The shape of the lip, the overall shape of the flowers and the lack of the solid red banded lip are all more variation than I feel can occur with just a difference in light.
Labels do get messed up in the best of worlds, but mericloning has done an incredible trip on the distortion of genetics of plants. If it even is Cym. Peter Pan, it should not be accepted as the 'Greeensleeves' cultivar.
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11-03-2010, 06:10 AM
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The plant in the original photo is most definitely not Peter Pan 'Greensleeves'. I strongly suspect it may be a Peter Pan hybrid. There have been some selfings of Peter Pan 'Greensleeves' but these, by very definition, can only be called Peter Pan. Some of these can be found on the net. To be called PP 'Greensleeves' they have to be genetically identical to the original 2N plant or the 4N one converted by Don Wimber. From my experience all of the plants of PPG in cultivation at the moment are the 4N version. I look forward to finding a 2N version. I have purchased several plants labelled as 2N but when I have done the chromosome counts they have all turned out to be 4N. There are no regional forms of PPG: there is only one form with two ploidy levels. Variations are totally due to cultural practice. The picture of PPG on my website, The Chuckie link, was purposely flowered in low light to accentuate the green. The plant from SBOE was flowered in higher light. The flowers on Flicker and Bob's post are genuine as well. PPG is a very distinctive plant. The plant on Orchids by Murphy is not a PPG. That lip is very differently shaped to PPG, as is the whole flower and there are too many flowers that are closely spaced.
There are dozens of named forms of C. Sarah Jean in Australia but they are mostly not derived from 'Ice Cascades'. The Sarah Jean cross has been made several times with colours ranging from near white to red, with a liberal sprinkling of greens, peaches, and pinks, or combinations of these colours. There are 2N and 4N versions of SJ 'Ice Cascades' and indeed some slight variations in spike habit induced by overproduction through meristemming. There are even forms with variegated leaves. By rights, these genetic mutations should not be called Sarah Jean 'Ice Cascades'.
The original plant pictured is still a nice plant and I am sure will be enjoyed for it's merits.
All the best,
Chuckie
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11-05-2010, 02:07 PM
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Hi Chuckie,
You could not have explained it better and welcome to the Forum! Your Cym knowledge will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
CL
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11-14-2010, 10:34 PM
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Right on Chuckie. there's no NZ version of Peter Pan 'Greensleeves' 4n. This plant is clearly a Peter Pan hybrid but is not 'Greensleeves' 4n. The diploid version has been extinct for years now. As for the comments about Sarah Jean??? Sorry, but you've got that story all wrong too.
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11-17-2010, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrCym
As for the comments about Sarah Jean??? Sorry, but you've got that story all wrong too.
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Do you know of other facts regarding Sarah Jean? Just saying that somebody is wrong doesn't help us to understand why...please explain.
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11-17-2010, 08:53 PM
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Hey Chuckie,
If you are looking for a PP 'G' 2n, I know of one living in the back yard of one of our club members along with 2n and 4n Herbie Poole, 2n and 4n Robin 'Freckles' and the 4n version of PP 'G'. It is not a prolific bloomer but when it does, it is very graceful in its presentation. I will see if I can scan in a photo for you.
Cheers,
CL
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11-23-2010, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cb977
Do you know of other facts regarding Sarah Jean? Just saying that somebody is wrong doesn't help us to understand why...please explain.
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I think Chuckie covered most of the details. I am sorry but I do not have the time to respond in detail to a posting that is totally inaccurate.
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