Epi. porpax hybrids?

[isurus79]

Hey everyone,
I have a quick Q for y'all. I can't seem to find much information regarding small statured Epi hybrids. Does anyone know of breeding efforts are being done with Epi's like porpax/pepperonia, schlecteriana, conopseum or other little guys in this genus? I see Woodstream has Epi. Panama Ruby (which looks really cool!), but not much else. I'm curious because I am slowly assembling a breeding collection of plants and am focusing on minis and I'm curious as to why this group has been overlooked. Getting pictures of their hybrids will give me a frame of reference as to what various hybrid progeny would look like when they bloom.

For example, Cattleya alaorii seems to be fairly recessive with its color scheme when crossed with something else. Its progeny are essentially the same colors as the non alaorii parent, but the alaorii shape and size remain, thus giving relatively easily anticipated offspring with regards to flower size, shape and color. I'm wondering is the small Epi's are similar in this respect, but can't confirm/deny this thesis due to lack of evidence!! lol

Anyway, if someone knowns of hybrid names that would help me immensely! Then I could try and look them up and see if this avenue is worth exploring.

[PaphMadMan]

At least 44 first generation hybrids of Epi. conopseum/magnoliae and 5 second generation hybrids. Hardly an overlooked species.

Seed Parent Pollen Parent Hybrid Year
Bc. Richard Mueller x Epi. magnoliae = Vnra.Fiftieth Anniversary 2003
Epi. magnoliae x C. cernua = Epc.Concern 1975
Epi. magnoliae x C. bicolor = Epc.Forest Elf 1999
Ctt. Trick or Treat x Epi. magnoliae = Ett.Butterfly Kisses 2001
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. radicans = Epi.Sally Dickinson 1979
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. pseudepidendrum = Epi.Rudolph 1973
Epi. magnoliae x E. cordigera = Epy.Tickled Pink 1965
Epi. magnoliae x Dga. purpurea = Epg.Rumrill 1973
Epi. magnoliae x C. guttata = Epc.Albert Laessle 1964
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. O'Brienianum = Epi.Obrienopseum 1964
Epi. magnoliae x S. purpurata = Epc.Elaine Newbill 1965
Epi. umbelliferum x Epi. magnoliae = Epi.Elizabethe 1965
Epi. magnoliae x C. gaskelliana = Epc.Golden Surprise 1966
Epi. magnoliae x Psh. ionophlebia = Etc.Topsy Turvy 1966
Epi. magnoliae x C. Wavriniana = Epc.Little Giant 1968
Epi. magnoliae x B. nodosa = Bepi.Green Dragon 1969
Epi. peperomia x Epi. magnoliae = Epi.Raymond McCullough 1969
Epi. magnoliae x C. intermedia = Epc.Catherine Margaret 1970
Epi. magnoliae x C. Mrs. Mahler = Epc.Janis Monique 1970
Epi. magnoliae x Psh. vitellina = Etc.Hugh Briggs 1970
Epi. magnoliae x C. Bow Bells = Epc.Brian David 1973
Epi. magnoliae x C. Florence Machle = Epc.James Joseph 1973
Epi. magnoliae x C. Claesiana = Epc.Joyita 1973
Epi. magnoliae x Psh. abbreviata = Etc.Lemonade 1973
Epi. magnoliae x B. cucullata = Bepi.Mini-Cu 1975
Epi. magnoliae x Mcp. tibicinis = Eil.Red Monsterette 1975
Epi. magnoliae x C. mossiae = Epc.Marion Ruff Sheehan 1975
Epi. magnoliae x C. Twinkle Star = Epc.Susan Margaret Wehlburg 1975
Epi. magnoliae x L. lyonsii = Epl.Freckles 1975
Epi. magnoliae x Gur. aurantiaca = Gdd.Ruth Farrar 1978
Epi. magnoliae x C. walkeriana = Epc.Karen Thomas 1980
Epi. magnoliae x Gur. skinneri = Gdd.Mother Mary 1980
Epi. magnoliae x C. coccinea = Epc.Concoccion 1981
Epi. magnoliae x Ryn. Daffodil = Ery.Waverly Fant 1983
Epi. magnoliae x C. luteola = Epc.Conopseola 1985
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. tridactylum = Epi.Emerald 1985
Epi. magnoliae x C. Mary Lynn McKenzie = Epc.Blakes Queen Bess 1994
Epi. magnoliae x C. cinnabarina = Epc.Kelly Jean 1995
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. diffusum = Epi.Pirouette 1999
Epi. Costa Rica x Epi. magnoliae = Epi.Merkle's Flame 2000
Epi. magnoliae x C. brevipedunculata = Epc.Shy Princess 2005
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. ilense = Epi.Pink Lemonade 2007
Epi. magnoliae x Epi. ciliare = Epi.Sunbelt's Gossamer Star 2007
Epi. xanthinum x Epi. magnoliae = Epi.Little Miss Sunshine 2009
Epi. Rudolph x Epi. paniculatum = Epi.Spider 1982
Epg. Rumrill x Bark. lindleyana = Epidominkeria.Rumrill Charm 1982
Epi. Rudolph x Bark. lindleyana = Bard.Fiesta 1987
Epi. Rudolph x Epi. ciliare = Epi.Champagne 1991
Epy. Tickled Pink x C. Angelwalker = Ety.Fred's Epiplus 1996

[PaphMadMan]

And 6 for Epi. porpax/peperomia

Seed x Pollen = Hybrid Year
C. Tangerine Jewel x Epi. peperomia = Epc. Newberry Elf 1996
Epi. peperomia x Epi. magnoliae = Epi. Raymond McCullough 1969
C. coccinea x Epi. peperomia = Epc. Ding Dong 1992
Epi. secundum x Epi. peperomia = Epi. Igallon 1994
Lpt. unicolor x Epi. peperomia = Lptdm. Jean Geiger 1998
Epi. medusae x Epi. peperomia = Epi. Panama Ruby 2000

[isurus79]

Wow! I was not expecting conopseum to be the leader of this group. I figured it would be porpax. Thanks for the all the info!!

[PaphMadMan]

Since Epi. conopseum is native in several US states it may have benefited from a lot of 'what the hell, why not' crosses being made.

[isurus79]

Definitely. It seems like there were several waves of this type of thing over the years!

[FairyInTheFlowers]

Ooooo, I have some Epi. porpax, and although I would like to stick with breeding just Phals, this little Catt alliance species has caught my eye.

[ronaldhanko]

I had a bunch of the hybrids that were done in the 80's with conopseum, many of which were not registered. Many of them were like different colored conopseums, with thin curled segments and were not as nice IMO as conopseum itself. Still have pictures of some of them of them somewhere. I've not seen any of the porpax hybrids. Enc. tampensis produced much more attractive hybrids like Green Charmer.

[isurus79]

I'd love to see the pics if its not too much trouble. It does seem, however, that conopseum and the porpax group will not work that well for line breeding. The few pics I've seen of the hybrids are not promising.

[ronaldhanko]

x Enc. vitellina


x L. pumila


x Sl. Psyche


x Soph. coccinea = Epiphronitis Concoccion


x C. luleola = Epc. Conopseola