LC Santa Barbera Sunset ‘Tyab’ - Orchid Board

ArronOB · #1 06-08-2022, 08:02 AM

This is LC Santa Barbara Sunset (Tyab). 75% Laelia anceps and 25% Cattleya (?j cinnabarina.

A first flowering so perhaps not at its best.

I do wish we had more of these - primary hybrids of L. anceps and whatever else can be used that doesn’t degrade the anceps hardiness. I have LC edissa (50% anceps and 50% purpurata) but have never been able to find anything else. Both are remarkably hardy and disease resistant when growing outdoors in our climate, equally as much as the anceps parent.

Are there any other primary hybrids which preserve ancep’s cold and heat tolerance? I have several big old anceps plants growing naturalised in our back yard and would like to add some variety.

Cheers
Arron

Ray · #2 06-08-2022, 10:31 AM

Santa Barbara Sunset is not a primary hybrid; it is L. anceps crossed back with the primary hybrid, Lc. Ancibarina (anceps x cinnabarina).

There are 339 registered crosses with L. anceps as a parent, with about 70 being primaries.

I may be totally off-base with this, but I think that hybrids having anceps as the pod parent might be better bets.

Roberta · #3 06-08-2022, 05:11 PM

Not only primary hybrids, but lots of others with L. anceps as 1 parent, inherit L. anceps hardiness. For primary, look at L Finckeniana (anceps x albida), Lc. Liptonii (L anceps x C labiata), Lc Wrigleyi (anceps x C bowringiana), L Canariensis (anceps x harpophylla)
Getting a little more complex, Lc Miss Wonderful (C Mari's Song x L Anceps) ,Lc Puppy Love (anceps x C. Dubiosa),

Sorry, didn't change genus names for all the reclassifications... But you get the picture. These are just a few classic ones, all or nearly all of which I have grown in my back yard so I KNOW they have L. anceps hardiness. I'd expect that most of the rest of the 339 F1 offspring of L anceps are also very tolerant of heat and cold (especially where the other parent also has cold tolerance)

Diane56Victor · #4 06-09-2022, 04:29 AM

Beautiful bloom.
I bought the same plant in 2018. It looked quite a good size till I repotted in 2021.
So now I have 3 plants of varying sizes. No blooms on any of them yet but it seems to grow ok in my environment.
The label it came with says
.....Lc. Santa Babara Sunset.
(Tyabb Laelia anceps x Laeliocattleya Ancibarina) Looks more like Ancibarina
When it has 6 bulbs it can be classed as mature.....

ArronOB · #5 06-09-2022, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberta

Not only primary hybrids, but lots of others with L. anceps as 1 parent, inherit L. anceps hardiness. For primary, look at L Finckeniana (anceps x albida), Lc. Liptonii (L anceps x C labiata), Lc Wrigleyi (anceps x C bowringiana), L Canariensis (anceps x harpophylla)
Getting a little more complex, Lc Miss Wonderful (C Mari's Song x L Anceps) ,Lc Puppy Love (anceps x C. Dubiosa),

Sorry, didn't change genus names for all the reclassifications... But you get the picture. These are just a few classic ones, all or nearly all of which I have grown in my back yard so I KNOW they have L. anceps hardiness. I'd expect that most of the rest of the 339 F1 offspring of L anceps are also very tolerant of heat and cold (especially where the other parent also has cold tolerance)

Thanks Roberta. That’s got me looking for LC canariensis, LC miss wonderful and LC liptonii if I can get a white one.

Cheers

Roberta · #6 06-09-2022, 05:34 PM

My Lc Liptonii is a nice coerulea semi alba... likely L. anceps var. veitchiana x L. labiata alba. Good luck! Lc Canariensis is yellow. Lc Miss Wonderful is a splash-petal pink-lavender usually. But has quite a bit of variation, depending on the cultivar.

L.Finckenana is often semi-alba (since the L. albida parent is mostly white. I have several cultivars, all are flower machines. One is labeled L. Finckeniana but Fred Clarke thinks it's Lc Wrigleyi (Bowri-anceps) based on a lip shape that is different than the others.

ArronOB · #7 06-13-2022, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Diane56Victor

Beautiful bloom.
I bought the same plant in 2018. It looked quite a good size till I repotted in 2021.
So now I have 3 plants of varying sizes. No blooms on any of them yet but it seems to grow ok in my environment.
The label it came with says
.....Lc. Santa Babara Sunset.
(Tyabb Laelia anceps x Laeliocattleya Ancibarina) Looks more like Ancibarina
When it has 6 bulbs it can be classed as mature.....

I got mine in 2017 as a tiny plant from Australian Orchid Nurseries. Since then it’s grown to 23 pseudobulbs but this is the first year it has flowered - 3 spikes of 2 flowers each. I don’t know if it’s typical for this hybrid to take so long to flower but I do notice that the leaves are very dark green despite the fact that I grow it in typical Catt light levels. Suggests to me it would probably be happier in very high light levels or even full sun with protection from just the hottest summer days. Maybe someone with experience in rupicolous laelias like cinnabarina could comment.

The flower colour has intensified now they are a few days mature.

Roberta · #8 06-13-2022, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ArronOB

I got mine in 2017 as a tiny plant from Australian Orchid Nurseries. Since then it’s grown to 23 pseudobulbs but this is the first year it has flowered - 3 spikes of 2 flowers each. I don’t know if it’s typical for this hybrid to take so long to flower but I do notice that the leaves are very dark green despite the fact that I grow it in typical Catt light levels. Suggests to me it would probably be happier in very high light levels or even full sun with protection from just the hottest summer days. Maybe someone with experience in rupicolous laelias like cinnabarina could comment.

The flower colour has intensified now they are a few days mature.

It likely just needs more light. It is 3/4 L. anceps which does best with almost full sun, and rupiculous Laelias also grow in nearly full sun. (For both maybe just a little mid-day shading, but I don't think I have ever burned leaves on a L. anceps... much tougher than Catts)

ArronOB · #9 06-13-2022, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

There are 339 registered crosses with L. anceps as a parent, with about 70 being primaries.

I may be totally off-base with this, but I think that hybrids having anceps as the pod parent might be better bets.

Thanks. What is the reason for this. Is it known that more of the traits of the pod parent are passed on to the offspring ?

Roberta · #10 06-13-2022, 06:02 PM

For complex hybrids, or those where L anceps is crossed with a standard Catt hybrid it may make a difference. The pod parent may well contribute attributes from the mitochondrial DNA (which comes only from the female side) that could give it more influence. But also, L anceps seems to be rather dominant in general - certainly if it is half of the cross or nearly so. Along with the form (which is quite distinctive) its robustness seems to be inherited readily. For something like Santa Barbara Sunset, where it is 3/4 L anceps no matter how the cross is made, the result ends up being, for all practical purposes, pretty much L anceps with some extra colors and more flowers. And equally bullet-proof.