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Unread 10-20-2009, 07:59 AM
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Default Cycnoches/Catasetum/Mordmodes - Top 5 for Dummies


I've recently become intrigued by this group of plants, especially some of the hybrids. I don't know much about them except that they seem to be a little like Cyms with a little more care and a dry period. (OK that might be a simplification). Are they fairly similar in cultivation?

But they have fantastic colours and scent!

So i was wondering if people can recommend me their top 5 species/hybrids from this group of plants to give me a head start and hunt down some nice plants! I will look them up and do a lot of this:

I already have a flask of Cycnodes Wine Delight 'JEM' and i would love to get a Fdka After Dark, but other than that i'm clueless what's out there.

thanks, Nick
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Unread 10-20-2009, 10:31 AM
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I don't have a lot of these, yet, but , IMHO, Cyc.warscewiczii is a must have. It is very easy to grow, blooms faithfully for me every year ,and has an awesome scent. What more could you ask for? They're also very easy to find. Warning; once you start, there's no turning back!

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Unread 10-20-2009, 11:08 AM
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pfuiiss... difficult to put a list of only 5 plants but lets try to put a list, based on the following characters (show stopper; easy to grow; easy to find) – sorry, no Mormodes here as I am not very well experienced with this genus:

Catasetum species:
1. Catasetum pileatum (var. album and var. imperiale, but actually any variety is excellent)
2. Catasetum expansum
3. Catasetum tenebrosum
4. Catasetum vinaceum
5. Catasetum planiceps (green flowers, but very elegant and great fragrance)

Catasetum Hybrids:
1. Catasetum xtapiriceps (I like better those tending to Ctsm. macrocarpum but not being too close to this species – macrocarpum x pileatum)
2. Catasetum Orchidglade (
3. Catasetum Susan Fuchs
4. Catasetum Sumanii (saccatum x pileatum)
5. Catasetum Donna Wise (Orchidglade x tenebrosum – if you have the chance, just get it!)

Cycnoches species:
1. Cycnoches chlorochilon
2. Cycnoches pentadactylon
3. Cycnoches cooperi
4. Cycnoches barthiorum
5. Cycnoches herrenhusanum

Cycnoches hybrids:
1. Cycnoches Martha Clarke (herrenhusanum x barthiorum)
2. Cycnoches William Clarke (cooperi x herrenhusanum)
3. Cycnoches haagei x pentadactylon
4. Cycnoches Jean E. Monnier (barthiorum x cooperi)
5. Cycnoches Golden Showers (chlorochilon x herrenhusanum)

Clowesia species and hybrids:
1. Clowesia rosea
2. Clowesia warcsewiczii
3. Clowesia russeliana
4. Clowesia Rebecca Northen (rosea x Grace Dunn)
5. Clowesia Grace Dunn (rosea x warcsewiczii)

Intergeric Hybrids:
1. Cycnodes Wine Delight
2. Cycnodes Jumbo Puff or Taiwan Gold (almost impossible to differentiate them!)
3. Clowesetum Wyche’s Bumble Bees
4. Clowesetum Dragon Whiskers
5. Clowesetum Raymond Lerner
6. Any Catanoches you could find
7. Fredclarkeara After Dark if you can find it available in your country…

Ok, this is more than 5 top plants, but gives an idea or what should be considered the top of the line (IMO). So, now summarizing if I need to take only 5 of them:

1. Catasetum pileatum var. album
2. Catasetum pileatum var. aureum
3. Catasetum pileatum var. imperiale
4. Catasetum pileatum ‘Oro Verde’
5. Catasetum pileatum (any other color I could find )

Just kidding (well, not really)

This would be my list based on the plants above:

1. Catasetum pileatum
2. Cycnoches Chlorochilon
3. Cycnodes Wine Delight (even though I have never been able to bloom my plant!!)
4. Cycnoches Martha Clarke
5. Clowesia Rebecca Northen

Please note taht you being in Australia have "easy" access (at least easier than me in Europe) to one of the most amazing nurseries for Catasetinae: Jumbo Orchids with great hybrids and great selected species too!

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Unread 10-20-2009, 11:47 AM
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Wow Ramon, the whole list is my dream jajaja.
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Unread 10-20-2009, 11:55 AM
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Nick if you don´t have too much experience with these plants, start with catasetums and cycnoches. Leave mormodes for a while since you get some kwnoledge in how to handle the the first two genera (catasetums and cycnoches). Mormodes are more difficult to grow and some times are a pain in the neck to keep them healthy and in good conditions. By the way the list proposed by Ramon is perfect.
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Unread 10-20-2009, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno De Toni View Post
Wow Ramon, the whole list is my dream jajaja.
Also my dream I have had many of them in the past, but currently only have these from the list above:

6 x Catasetum pileatum (1 x var. album, 2 x ‘Oro Verde’, 1 x similar to ‘Oro Verde’ but darker and 2 x var. imperiale)
1 x Cycnoches chlorochilon
1 x Cycnoches haagei x pentadactylon
1 x Clowesia Rebecca Northen (rosea x Grace Dunn)
1 x Cycnodes Wine Delight
1 x Cycnodes Jumbo Puff
1 x Clowesetum Wyche’s Bumble Bees

1 x Ctsm. macrocarpum,
1 x Ctsm. vinaceum x pileatum var. imperiale,
1 x Ctsm. saccatum (need to wait for this one to bloom to confirm ID),
1 x Ctsm. fimbriatum,
1 x Ctsm. sp (received as a present, but need to wait for it to Bloom)
1 x Mormodes maculata var. unicolor
(and 3 single back pseudo-bulbs I need to resucitate next season: Ctsm. discolor, and two more Catasetum I need to re-check what they are...)
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Unread 10-20-2009, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno De Toni View Post
the list proposed by Ramon is perfect.
I will take this as a compliment or better yet, as you accepting my supremacy on this world
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Unread 10-20-2009, 01:56 PM
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What I am trying to say here, is that Mormodes even if is more harder to cultivate than Cycnoches and Catasetum, many of them tolerate very well cool greenhouses
That´s right Jan, the point with mormodes is the culture medium to use. I heard that they do very well in sphagnum moss, but in the tropics it is hard to find it and do we have to try different media to cultivate them. I am using semiroten white wood and they do pretty well, also they do not like to much ligth as cycnoches and catasetums do and also they are very susceptible to fungus attack, specially during humid and cold days. Another important issue is they die very quick once they got sick. But with all these difficulties (which make them so interesting and challenging) is one of my favorite plants much more than some catasetums and cycnoches species.
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Unread 10-20-2009, 02:31 PM
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Guys! You are amazing!!!
I just try to put myself in situation to choose five ….. and I can’t! I am just not able to choose only five …. Mission impossible!
Ramón, which form of Clowesetum Wyche’s Bumble Bees do you have, spotted or plane? I do have plane one, or more correctly with very light, almost unnoticeable tiny spots. Me want spotted one now …
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Unread 10-20-2009, 02:36 PM
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Gena, my Clowesetum has not yet bloomed (I do not have since too long). It comes from La Cour des Orchidee, and in theory it is without spotting (which I like a lot! - better than the spotted one I must admit)
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