New Cycnoches Advice

[isurus79]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

isurus79 ----- I recommend that you skip the troll tactics. You appear to have no issue with practising such tactics.

Recall the time when you blatantly disrespected (and turned the tables around on) the forum member with the name of Early? Click Here.

On that occasion, you did the same thing as here. In that thread, it was clearly you that threw insults. What's your explanation for doing that kind of thing?

Now - unless you have a reasonable answer/explanation that explains the results obtained by us growers that have had absolutely no catasetum root or plant issues when watering emerging roots early (of catasetums coming out of true dormancy), then I recommend that you back off - ie. cease the insults.

The grower Early was exceptionally rude and was the only person in that thread hurtling insults. I stand by my response in that thread.

As for the Dunning-Kruger statement, your statements are matching that syndrome to a tee. As your rhetoric becomes more extreme (stating that your opinion is correct and that growers like myself and Fred Clarke are peddling "misinformation") it becomes painfully obvious that your experience with two seasons of growing complex hybrids (much more forgiving of cultural conditions) has led you to believe that you know more than long time growers. Your opinion far outpaces your knowledge.

I'm not even talking about watering during dormancy, which can be just fine if temperatures stay above 55F (something I've mentioned many times, including on my YouTube channel), which is what Gene Monnier told me many years ago. Your experience with complex hybrids leads you to believe that your results are the norm. However, there are plenty of species that will die if they're watered. The tried and true method of hard dormancy is a blanket statement which works for all species and hybrids, while the idea that watering during dormancy is full of caveats, which you NEVER explain in your descriptions. You also state that you are here to learn, yet you only seem interested in dictating your limited experience as the best way to grow, while everyone else peddles "misinformation." Again, classic Dunning-Kruger.

You also clearly lack a basic understanding of Catasetinae biology and have had ZERO interest in understanding their natural habitat. Many Cycnoches and Mormodes grow in rotting wood and do not need exceptional air circulation around their roots. Many (most?) Catasetums grow in the space where palm fronds attach to the tree, which is a space usually full of water and plant debris, again largely devoid exceptional air movement. You don't care. You keep spouting the idea that Cattleya like conditions around the roots are key, which is not true. While Cattleya-like conditions around the roots can prove successful, its not critical. Hell, its not even ideal, as proven by the success of the PET method in growing monstrous plants and by the natural biology of Catastinae. Again, you have no interest in discussing this and clearly dismiss it as "misinformation." Also classic Dunning-Kruger.

Early watering during initial root growth may be ok for certain complex hybrids, it often proves detrimental for many, many species. Especially Cycnoches, which are much more temperamental than most Catasetum species and are definitely more temperamental than complex hybrids. You gave a list of plants you've grown in the past two years, none of which were Cycnoches. You simply assumed that this genus grows like the other general in the family and gave no caveats for you advice. If had more experience with this group, you'd know that. Instead, you decided that my advice is a "myth," even though its one borne out of experience. I killed many plants in my early years of growing Catasetinae, which was long before it was cool to grow this group and there was little advice online. Instead, you've decided that your experience is more important than mine, and more hilariously, more important the Fred Clarke's. Again, classic Dunning-Kruger.

I'm not saying you shouldn't report your findings, but you don't need to start dictating you limited experience to new or old growers as the new normal. You also don't need to say that long time growers are peddling misinformation or myths. We're not. Finally, you don't need to claim you're here to learn, when its very clear you're here to tell people how to do things. Enough. Seriously, tone it down and please understand you have a lot to learn. That's not an insult, that's just what happens when you've grown a tricky group for a long time. Experience is important. Please start to see it as valuable, not as a "myth" or as "misinformation."