New Cycnoches Advice - Page 3 - Orchid Board

SouthPark · #21 04-01-2020, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Clawhammer

I gotta say this argument may be the geekiest thing I have ever seen, but I am not complaining, I like a little drama. You two are way too aggressive regarding a minor point about an obscure family of orchids, which is why it makes me chuckle.

I'm chuckling at you right now too clawhammer, because I detect some trolling tactics from you as well.

But - to answer your question about lazy roots. That's not what I've seen. The emerging roots still grow. In addition --- there is actually a ton of existing roots that are within the pot, and they are still alive during dormancy. This has been reported by many growers. And it is what I also observed too.

The main thing - in my opinion is ----- don't allow the roots in the media to die from lack of oxygen. And also - don't allow the roots to get super cold and wet. This doesn't happen anyway in my part of the world (as in my plants never get super cold, and the roots never get super cold and/or super wet).

I have no problem with people recommending the holding off of watering until roots become X inches long. That's fine. I was just mentioning that early watering will not kill newly emerging roots when the plant is coming out of dormancy - PROVIDED ONE maintains desirable growing conditions. And it will not stunt the growth of the new roots - PROVIDED ONE maintains desirable growing conditions.

You saw JS mention that he didn't have issues as well. So that has got to tell you something. Roots aren't expected to just die if they get a 'bit' of water on them. However, we know that roots of orchids can die if they get wet and cold enough. Or when the water around the roots don't move much, and the root runs out of oxygen.

Clawhammer · #22 04-01-2020, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthPark

I'm chuckling at you right now too clawhammer, because I detect some trolling tactics from you as well.

But - to answer your question about lazy roots. That's not what I've seen. There is actually a ton of roots that stay in the pot, and they are still alive during dormancy. This has been reported by many growers. And it is what I also observed too.

The main thing - in my opinion is ----- don't allow the roots in the media to die from lack of oxygen. And also - don't allow the roots to get super cold and wet. This doesn't happen anyway in my part of the world (as in my plants never get super cold, and the roots never get super cold and/or super wet).

Relax the caffeine intake dude.

You make all these aggressive claims and and you can't even articulate the benefit. You haven't done any kind of side by side study but you are out here dogging hard won conventional wisdom, creating conflict, and calling people trolls for disagreeing with you. I don't understand your end game or motivation, but it appears to be more to do with your ego than helping people.

SouthPark · #23 04-01-2020, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Clawhammer

Relax the caffeine intake dude.

You make all these aggressive claims and and you can't even articulate the benefit. You haven't done any kind of side by side study but you are out here dogging hard won conventional wisdom, creating conflict, and calling people trolls for disagreeing with you. I don't understand your end game or motivation, but it appears to be more to do with your ego than helping people.

Just before ending conversations with you (on a permanent basis due to your attitude) ----- I merely forgot to, or hadn't yet got around to answering that part about benefits and/or disadvantages of watering roots 'early'.

My focus was on whether or not getting water on emerging roots and water on already-existing (old) roots caused set-back to the plant, or death. I encountered no issues. So there was no disadvantage.

Also - not too long ago ----- one forum member had dying new growth ---- orchid coming out of dormancy. He then added a little water. The new growth reacted very positively, and recovered well. The orchid proceeded to grow as usual.

Now - watering 'early' is ok ..... as long as (as had already been mentioned) you do not allow the orchid's roots to die of oxygen starvation ----- and maintain suitable growing temperatures.

Clawhammer · #24 04-01-2020, 10:27 AM

So again no clear benefit but you take every opportunity to turn each catesetum thread into a into a conflict. Got it. Bye now.

DirtyCoconuts · #25 04-01-2020, 10:50 AM

I will add my experience as i am one who does water early and often.

I try to listen to the individual plants.

I live in a VERY warm and wet place, as a result, i don't allow any of my orchids (excepting the Bulbos...they stay soggy) to grow in a container or medium that holds water without draining freely and open. i define that loosely as, if you dumped a glass of water into any of my pots, 90% of the water or more would end up on the floor.

so, when my catesetum lose their leaves or start to yellow I stop watering them but they are still getting rain....as they go deeper into dormancy (all the leaves drop) i will bring them in from the outside wall of my patio and ignore them until i see the new growths.

at this point i watch the plants and see what they are doing. I will usually being misting then once the new growth is about an inch and the misting is done daily or every two days...really just a spritz in the rocks around the pot...
once the growth is spreading its second set of leaves i will take a good look at the roots and the closest older pbulb and if the roots are looking big and healthy, i start full watering...if they are just the growth tips or they are not pushing down into the media...i just keep at the misting phase until they get more robust.

I have started watering some earlier ( as SP was referencing i had one this season that looked crispy and i jumped the watering up and it is doing great now) and some i wait a lot longer if something looks slow or the roots are not coming out.

I will say something about Jeff's comment on the mimicking nature, this is the best way in my opinion. If the rain started to come early one year, i'll start watering early too...i don't want to fight with Ma nature....she always wins. so i try to ride her back (use the rain, use the trade winds) and follow her lead

I will always caveat all my comments/observations with the fact that this is what works for ME on my patio (and lath house) and based on my habits and tendencies.

I readily confess, i like to water and i like to be involved with my plants, so i have learned how to grow them to meet my desires and needs while also meeting theirs

oh, last bit, not on orchids...Isurus and SP, you are both such nice guys and always help people, it is so odd that you seems to continue to clash on this topic...I remind you both that the internet is a void of tone, facial expression, and true context and try to imagine this conversation face to face and over a delicious beverage and the mood would be so different. there's a lot of Crap in the world right now, good vibes brothers