Login
User Name
Password   


Registration is FREE. Click to become a member of OrchidBoard community
(You're NOT logged in)

menu menu
Sponsor
Donate Now
and become
Forum Supporter.


Many perks!
<...more...>




Sponsor

 

Google


  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 02:05 AM
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 14
Default Assessing Bloom-less Lot

I have ~ 25 G/H orchids, mostly Cattleya family but hybrids from Catasetnae, Odontoglossum, Cymbidium, Miltonia, Brassia, and Vanda and Dendrobium plants. Several indoor Phaelenopsis too. Other than initial blooms from "in spike" plants, nothing has bloomed in one year except the indoor Phaelenopsis which faithfully do so year after year. Still these orchids chug along with roots, and new leaves. So I need a strategy that I can apply to this diverse group for fine tuning. I have had good ideas from Orchid Board on case by case basis. My theory of try lots and see what sticks apparently didn't work as far as blooming these plants goes. I see people with flowering plants apparently in basements that look stunning. Here is my partial list of plants:
Cattleya Family:
Lc Bonanza Queen
Blc. Jane Helton x Blc Toshie Aoki Pizazz
Blc. Chia Lin “Shinsu #1”
Blc. Chyong Guu Chaffich “Dixies’s Joy
Blc Malworth x C. Mrs. Mahler
Blc King of Taiwan
Leoapard X Robert Strait
Slc seagull’s mini cat heaven
C. Bactia grape wax

Cymbidium Family:
Cymbidiella rhodochila

Catasetinae (Cycnoches, Catasetums, Mormodes, Clowesia)
Morm. Exotic Treat x Cyc. (barthiorum x cooperi)

Odontoglossum
Mystery Hybrid


Eplc (epidendrum laeliocattleya)
Eplc Mae Bly

Miltonia/Miltoniopsis
Mtssa. Charles M. Fitch “Izumi”
Dgmra Winter Wonderland White Fairy

Brassia
Alcra. (Aliceara) Pacific Nova “Butter Buds”

Vanda
V. Robert’s Delight “ink blue”
Ascda. Christine Ang x V. denisoniana
Ascda. (Fuchs Delight x John DeBiase)
V. Tokyo Blue x V. Kasem’s Delight

Oncidium
Onc. Mimentison
Colmanara Jungle Cat “Burma Ruby” (Colmanara Jungle Everglades)

Dendrobium
d. Fleckerii.

Can you suggest where I might focus my efforts to optimize blooms, i.e. are there any "no brainers" in the bunch? Thanks.
Jon
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
Remove advertisements
Advertisement Sponsored links

  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 02:14 AM
slipperfreak's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Zone: 3a
Location: Edmonton, AB
Age: 19
Posts: 334
Default

The first thing I will point out is that orchids require a difference between day and night temperatures in order to flower. Often times, if the nights are not at least 10 F cooler than the days, the plants won't bloom. Insufficient light levels, and improper fertilization can also hold back flowers. For example, a lot of Cattleyas have trouble blooming if the light is not bright.

I will allow the specialists of each of these genera to go into specifics.
__________________
Joe
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 02:20 AM
slipperfreak's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Zone: 3a
Location: Edmonton, AB
Age: 19
Posts: 334
Default

Another thing I thought I'd add, is that some orchids take longer than a year to mature a growth and produce flowers. Do these plants have mature growths? If so, they may be ready to flower very soon; perhaps you just need more patience.
__________________
Joe
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 07:07 AM
camille1585's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lyon, France but now in Netherlands
Age: 24
Posts: 3,737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by slipperfreak View Post
The first thing I will point out is that orchids require a difference between day and night temperatures in order to flower. Often times, if the nights are not at least 10 F cooler than the days, the plants won't bloom. Insufficient light levels, and improper fertilization can also hold back flowers. For example, a lot of Cattleyas have trouble blooming if the light is not bright.

I will allow the specialists of each of these genera to go into specifics.
That is really over generalizing it. Some need cooler temps all winter. (the ones that need a winter rest) Phals need a general cool down in day AND night temperatures of just a few degrees for a few weeks. (that is how pro growers do it) Other respond to light. Cyms need the cooler nights like you mention and lots of light. So basically is really depends on the individual orchid.

Jon- Where are you keeping these plants? The number one reason for an orchid to not bloom is insufficient light. Vandas and catts need a lot of light. How much also depends on where you live.
__________________
Camille

Completely orchid obsessed and loving every minute of it....
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 08:54 AM
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Zone: 6a
Member of:AOS
Location: Mountain Home, Idaho
Posts: 521
Male
Default

Jon, if you have access to a light meter it would be very helpful.
__________________
Ted
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-12-2009, 01:23 PM
slipperfreak's Avatar
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Zone: 3a
Location: Edmonton, AB
Age: 19
Posts: 334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by camille1585 View Post
That is really over generalizing it. Some need cooler temps all winter. (the ones that need a winter rest) Phals need a general cool down in day AND night temperatures of just a few degrees for a few weeks. (that is how pro growers do it) Other respond to light. Cyms need the cooler nights like you mention and lots of light. So basically is really depends on the individual orchid.
I don't think it's over generalizing at all. It is a fact that all orchids require a difference between day and night temperatures to flower - that's just basic orchid culture. If you read any article on orchid culture it will tell you that.

Winter cooling is a separate issue, and that does depend on the plant. In the case of Phals, you don't necessarily need a winter cool down (or at least not a pronounced one) - as long as you get that difference between day and night temps they flower freely. The same cannot be said for Cymbidiums. Winter cooling is part of a technique that I refer to as winter rest (a common term) that includes a decrease in moisture in combination with lower temps. Most of the "supermarket" plants you come across don't need a pronounced rest period to flower well. They are bred to flower freely in the home, and they usually do. Some species have rather specific requirements to trigger flowering - I could go on and on about Parvisepalous Paphs - but as those are not on Jon's list and I don't specialize in any of the plants that are, I left the specifics to people who do specialize in them.
__________________
Joe

Last edited by slipperfreak; 11-12-2009 at 01:29 PM..
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Jr. Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 14
Default

Well, I spoke too quickly. The Aliceara just spiked! (photo). It is exactly a year since I purchased so it must be an annual bloom. Also, the Mormodes which I purchased a couple months ago has a spike. (Pic included). To answer Q's, light is 1500-3500 fc mostly in the middle but lots of upper range in the am hours. Temp variation: Well I used to keep the G/H cool (75 F.) and saw the error of my ways in July and let the temp go to upper 80's. I believe that has been a problem. I also removed Aluminet which, while rated at 50%, was cutting light to ~1500-2000 fc (G/H is under an oak tree, so gets shade for free anyways).
What should I do while tending these early growths?
Also, Mormodes needs to go dormant soon. Will that effect it's flowering? Same question for my only Dendrobium. It has new growth but will go dormant soon. Is that typical just before wintering? Thanks.
Jon
Attached Thumbnails
Assessing Bloom-less Lot-img_6669.jpg   Assessing Bloom-less Lot-img_6670.jpg  
Digg this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored links Remove advertisements
Advertisement

Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Florida Cymbidiums orchids3 Cymbidium Alliance 14 05-21-2009 06:34 AM
In bloom on 1/10/09 EdinAZ Orchids in Bloom 13 01-15-2009 06:37 AM
Drac and Masdies in bloom EdinAZ Pleurothallis Alliance 8 01-13-2009 01:47 PM
January Status Report shakkai Orchid Lounge 17 01-07-2009 02:53 PM
December status report Ross Orchid Lounge 30 12-28-2008 05:54 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:35 PM.

© 2007 OrchidBoard.com

Vivarium TopSites Top Orchid Sites
Ad Management by RedTyger

SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63