To what alliance do Sarcochilus belong?

[whygreenberg]

Hey there all! This is just a quick little question, mainly out of curiosity. I've seen conflicting info in various places online. Some say Vandaceous, some say Pleuro, I even saw one say Phal. I know that in the forums here, Sarcs are listed under the Pleuro alliance. But are there other monopodial pleuros?


yvan

[cb977]

According to Orchidwiz, they're in the Vandaceous group.

[Ray]

Yep.

SUBFAMILY Epidendroideae, TRIBE Vandeae, SUBTRIBE Aeridinae

[Undergrounder]

Originally Posted by Ray

Yep.

SUBFAMILY Epidendroideae, TRIBE Vandeae, SUBTRIBE Aeridinae

ALLIANCE Phalaenopsis

Speaking of which, 'Sarconopsis' (Phalaenopsis x Sarcochilus) seems like a really interesting mix... anyone seen one in flower? Maybe they have enough cool-grown Sarc in them to mount one outside

[cb977]

Originally Posted by Undergrounder

ALLIANCE Phalaenopsis

Speaking of which, 'Sarconopsis' (Phalaenopsis x Sarcochilus) seems like a really interesting mix... anyone seen one in flower? Maybe they have enough cool-grown Sarc in them to mount one outside

OW has it as Vandaceous (excluding Phalaenopsis)

[whygreenberg]

Partly what confused me was that here on the OB, in the list of alliance forums, Sarcs are listed at the Pleuro alliance forum.

IOSPE also lists as Tribe: Vandae

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Vanda alliance. Without question. Pleurothallids are mostly New World orchids. Vandas are mostly Old World.

Sarcochilus spp. grows as a monopodial-sympodial. Pleurothallids grow as sympodials.

[King_of_orchid_growing:)]

Also another way to figure it out is that most Pleurothallids especially Restrepias, Acronias, Pleurothallis, and Ancipitua have the two lateral sepals fused to form what is called a synsepal.

Vandaceous flowers don't have a synsepal, especially so with Sarcochilus spp.

[OrchidLover1982]

yeah definitely Vandaceous monopodial (Vanda tribe). Closest to Phalaenopsis and Aerides i think.

[Bolero]

Yep Vanda alliance. No chance of it being a Pleuro.

I have seen a few Sarcanopsis when judging. They are very attractive flowerings as well. Not sure what the exact background of the particular hybrids were but they are like a Sarcochilus but on steroids as far as colour and size goes.

If I see some at the shows this year I will post here for you to see.