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Old 07-16-2021, 07:33 PM
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I observe brownish looking sort of tubular structures underneath the stem. Are these alive? Is there a root filament or something inside them? Are they dead and ok to cut off? Is there something in the archives? I don't know what to call them. Thanks. Folks on the forum are really helpful.

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Forgot to say that there a numerous green roots also.
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I don't cut them off. Others seem compelled to do so. With proper care your plant will grow fine. Take a look at this sticky thread in the Beginners forum:
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I observe brownish looking sort of tubular structures underneath the stem. Are these alive? Is there a root filament or something inside them? Are they dead and ok to cut off? Is there something in the archives? I don't know what to call them.
Hi there! It would be good to look at some pictures of orchid roots and phalaenopsis orchid structures so you can figure out what you're looking at.

On a phalaenopsis orchid, the roots are actually a long white filament surrounded by a fleshy cortex and velamen. Most people refer to everything on the outside of the root as velamen - but technically "velamen" is only the outermost layer. The cortex stores water for the orchid and it feels firm when it's filled with water. The velamen turns from silvery whitish to green when it's soaking up water. Roots in the center of the pot are sometimes whitish or yellow, this is normal. If they're firm, they're alive and healthy - they're not green because they haven't been exposed to light and therefore the cells didn't photosynthesize.

Anyway, the tubular structures you're talking about are probably old roots. If they're empty and completely flat or papery when you feel them, this means the cortex has died and is no longer storing water. If they're squishy it means the cortex is dying or has had too much water and become very soggy. Depending on the extent of damage, sometimes it can recover. If it's firm it often means the velamen ( tissue on the outside) may have died but it is still storing water for the plant. I don't touch anything that's firm because it's still a good root. If it's black it means it's died and is decomposing.

Because the actual root is the white inner core, a root can have living zones and dead zones in the same root. Sometimes a root doesn't look perfect, might have black or brown spots here and there, but it's still functioning well and storing water for the plant. It's natural for some roots to turn brown on the outside over time as they're getting older.

Once you understand these concepts you will have a much better understanding of what is okay and what is not. I have seen way too many newbies cut off perfectly good roots, leaving the poor orchid without anything which to support itself.

Whether to cut roots or not depends entirely on your conditions, your potting media, and your environment. if your environment is wetter or colder ( or both!) you might have more issues with decay inside the orchid pot. Others don't cut because the stringy core might still be functioning to absorb some water, or the core is still alive and can possibly produce a living section. If your environment is dry enough and/or your pot is airy enough leaving roots won't cause you issues.

I would say, if you are a beginner, without knowing your environment, you can safely cut away roots that are papery or completely flat, or things that are black and squishy. However if a root doesn't look perfect but is still firm, leave it. It's still storing water for the plant. If there's a question of leaving a root versus cutting I always leave it.


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There is a valid reason for cutting dead roots off, to stop them rotting and acidifying the substrate. Rotting roots make bark rot too.
Now I don't always remove dead roots, if they are going to pose a problem then it is wise to not let them rot away to soil in the pot.
Of course you have to be able to identify what a live and dead root looks like. So the best way is not to look. Use your fingers to feel the roots. There is no benefit leaving a decayed root but I can completely understand the hopelessness of realizing all the roots are dead and not wanting to accept it. I have lost my fair share of orchids and I don't want to lose any more and it all usually starts in the roots. Infections rarely start elsewhere, if the roots suffer, the plant suffers. The roots are what supports the plant above.

I will add a picture of some live roots with some dead roots that I am not removing in this pot just because I have packing peanuts as a substrate so the dead roots will never rot. In this case I have been perfectly happy leaving them. I know they are dead but there is no harm leaving them in this situation either.
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Wow @shadeflower I've never seen packing peanuts as substrate, that's so interesting! Does it hold on to water well/how often do you usually water?
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Sorry I added that picture for visual purposes. I would not necessarily recommend packing peanuts as a substrate. You'd be watering a lot, peanuts do absorb a little bit of moisture but less than cork. I like to try different substrates. I would not recommend peanuts unless you maybe mix them with cork. It's something I wil try next but I was not happy with cork long term, packing peanuts hold far too little moisture so I'm thinking a combination of the two. That is one thing you will often find, rarely is any substrate 100% perfect, that is why people try different things like moss+bark which are still amongst the most reliable substrates to use.
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One should also be aware that some of today's packing peanuts are made to be water-soluble and will dissolve slowly.
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One should also be aware that some of today's packing peanuts are made to be water-soluble and will dissolve slowly.
Yes...they're usually made of corn. My cat loves white cheddar cheesy poofs and will also go after corn-based packing peanuts because they look and cronch the same.😂

Needless to say he's not allowed to eat either!!
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