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Old 11-26-2019, 07:12 PM
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I have seen a number of videos on youtube about growing orchids in full water culture, not s/h. I was curious if anyone on this board has experimented with growing orchids in full water culture without any medium, and if so, what were the results.
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Old 11-26-2019, 07:49 PM
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Hi Fran ! I haven't experimented with either method (semi-hydro and FWC). Ray certainly has developed his semi-hydroponics technique very well.

As for FWC, I never delved into that side of things - as I was seriously thinking about factors like the awkwardness in needing to prop up a plant in a glass jar, with the leaves poking out the sides. But also considered how easy (or hard) it really is to keep good growth processes under control - preventing algae, preventing disease, preventing issues.

The technique I've been using is the classical one - a suitable airy growing media. I go for inorganic (eg. scoria).

Scoria is available in large quantities in my local region, and works excellently. Not just works, but works excellently. For me - has never failed. Convenient too. But all this depends on how many plants we have - maybe - for watering. On the other hand, it is certainly possible to automate the watering process (but still watch the orchids like a hawk) using timer systems.

I recently posted something about what I do at this following link:

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I grow pretty much all my orchids this way (except for catasetum, as I'm only beginning to test growing it in 100% scoria). My paphs, phrags, oncidium, catts, vanda, psychopsis, encyclia, angraecum, dendrobium, and my first ever phal ----- all grow in 100% scoria. Some of these orchids are my absolute favourite ones. Actually - they're all my favourites. But I have some more favourite than others haha.

One important thing to mention is that my seedlings orchids (still relatively small size) are grown in relatively small size bark pieces - suitably sized orchiata bark. Enough people said this sort of bark is good to use for orchids, so I just used that for tiny plants, until they grow large enough to grow in other media.

Some people even very successfully grow orchids in regular rocks, or even pebbles.

Anything that works nicely and conveniently and indefinitely - is great.

This isn't to say that people can't experiment and try FWC. It's really just about thinking in advance what sort of challenges we face with it, while considering there are super-effective growing techniques available - involving classical growing media. For example, a good-drainage plastic pot with suitable airy growing media (eg. scoria) - simple and effective.

While for FWC - dealing with the task of setting up the system for each plant, and then making the plant grow new roots that take to the water environment, treating or eliminating algae growth, ensuring water doesn't run too low on O2, maybe needing to handle the pot and do things with it every so often, etc.

Now - if a grower doesn't mind the technique they're using, and they're happy with the results - then that's one good thing. Very importantly - as long as the orchids remain healthy for years and years and years, then that will be best.

The attached image shows what can conveniently and easily be done with classical growing methods. The image is showing one of my catt orchids on the left - having two nice sized sheaths developing (with one sheath hidden behind another leaf) - this orchid growing really well in scoria. It is called Rlc. Brunswick Gem 'Coral' - produces nice reddish pink flowers. And the tall hybrid on the right is a recently acquired one - potted in scoria - a Ctt. Porcia 'Cannizarro' - produces quite long stems. It is like a mini tree heheheh.

Finally - since I was mentioning a lot about scoria, and that I use it ----- I can finish off with examples of plants growing in scoria - unmoved - for a few decades - in pots of scoria. The scoria unchanged, and pots unmoved, and plants untouched - for few decades - watered automatically each night by pop-up rotary lawn grass sprinklers.

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Old 11-26-2019, 07:57 PM
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"I go for inorganic (scoria) - available in large quantities in my local region, and works excellently. Not just works, but works excellently. For me - has never failed."
Pardon my ignorance, SouthPark, but is scoria similar to the lava rock that comes with my orchids shipped from Hawaii?
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Pardon my ignorance, SouthPark, but is scoria similar to the lava rock that comes with my orchids shipped from Hawaii?
A very fair question Fran. Scoria is lava rock. There'll be various varieties. When we buy the lava rock from a supplier that guarantees that particular sort will support plants and orchids etc, then that's the one to use. Just as long as it's not a type that has relatively high salt concentration etc. Usually the scoria/lava rock for orchids will be ---- for orchids. So it will be no problem.
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If you do a search for "full water culture" you will get lots of hits. Here is a link to one: New to the forum, new to full orchid water culture
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:15 PM
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SouthPark, in the link you provided above, you mention that you water your plants daily. Is that a result of them being outdoors, or in lava rock? My orchids right now are primarily in fir bark and grow indoors and I am always worried about over watering.
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:22 PM
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SouthPark, in the link you provided above, you mention that you water your plants daily. Is that a result of them being outdoors, or in lava rock? My orchids right now are primarily in fir bark and grow indoors and I am always worried about over watering.
Fran ----- good question. It's a combination of factors - good air circulation - usually good air-movement, allowing the air to move nicely around the leaves and gently moving through the media and around the roots. This constant (even if slow) movement of everything - the air, the water etc is extremely beneficial for good orchid health (or contributes very significantly to it anyway).

If you grow indoors, it's still ok to water as much as you want. The main thing is to have good air circulation, and the scoria rock pieces (or bark pieces) are still large enough and airy enough to allow air movement through the pot. One killer I think is still-air environment and media not airy enough.

FWC is a different situation though. The roots are in water. And I have heard that roots in water still require oxygen, so the water still needs to somehow get more oxygen eventually when or if it runs low --- such as refilling the pot with new water every once in a while. And the roots of FWC plants become adapted to have a slower metabolism or something like that, so doesn't need as much air or oxygen as typical roots (that probably can't handle FWC - that's why they say that old roots usually die and these new ones need to grow that can handle the situation). But it still needs it (O2), because the roots simply needs O2 to stay alive.


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Fishmom, thanks for the link. Great detective work! It seems that fwc has some serious long term drawbacks. After reading SouthPark's link I'm beginning to think that scoria is the way to go.

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Thanks SouthPark. After reading your link I'm thinking that scoria is the best way to go, particularly since I have a catt. that's already growing in it.
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You're most welcome Fran. You'll definitely like using scoria.
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I find that full water culture works very well for Vanda and Phalaenopsis. I have a bunch of vases that 4" orchid baskets fit nicely into. They hold the plant securely at a consistent level. I like to start out with about 1/4-1/3 of the root mass in the water.
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