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Old 02-28-2018, 08:30 PM
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So i may sound simple but i think in trying to preserve the ghost orchid by hybridizing it with another species that im assuming isnt even a native species, wouldn't end up being the Florida species anymore. Yes there are natural hybrids in nature but if these hybrids end up being more viable in the environment then you better believe that it will out compete its parent species. Not only that but hybrid species if isolated long enough become their own species.
Have you ever tried to grow either Dendrophylax lindenii or funalis? A long time ago I killed a couple small lindenii seedlings. It's been so long I don't remember where I got them from. For some reason I'm thinking Oakhill.

I had much better success growing funalis, which I purchased from Santa Barbara Orchid Estate. The funalis did great outside all year long here in SoCal. Unfortunately, I decided to test its sun tolerance. It died.

My point is that both species are adapted to different conditions. Dendrophylax funalis is much more tolerant of drier and cooler conditions than lindenii.

Admittedly, I haven't tried to grow funalis in conditions that are perfect for lindenii. But it's generally the case that genetic advantages in drier conditions are disadvantages in wetter conditions... and vice versa. Does this make sense? The same exact traits that make a Golden Barrel cactus a winner in the desert would make it a loser in the jungle.

So when you say "environment"... you need to appreciate that Florida really is not a uniform environment. If you've been growing plants for more than a few years, you should really appreciate that even a small garden will have many different microhabitats. An entire state, let alone a state the size of Florida, will have countless different environments.

If you can fully appreciate the diversity of environments in Florida... and also appreciate that some traits are advantageous in some environments but disadvantageous in others... then you should appreciate that herclivation of Dendrophylax is far more likely to increase, rather than decrease, its variety and quantity.

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you are correct that there are more species in different parts of the world but that doesnt mean they are not competing for resources (for more room, pollinators or nutrients). they arent happy tree friends sitting under the sun!
Well yeah, organisms compete for resources. Hummingbirds and honeybees compete for nectar. But I'm pretty sure that plants benefit from this competition. Honeybees aren't native to the Americas. Let's say that, with a snap of your fingers, all the honeybees in the Americas would be wiped out. Would you snap your fingers? I'm guessing that you wouldn't.

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A hybrid can also mess up the natural pollinators by changing its scent or even the shape of the flower making things even worse.
How can a hybrid mess up the natural pollinators when the pollinators are the main selectors? Not too long ago I (or maybe the hummingbirds) created an Aloe hybrid. Just recently it bloomed for the first time and I observed hummingbirds drinking nectar from the flowers. These hummingbirds are the first ones in the world to try the nectar from this hybrid. Given that they regularly visit the flowers... I'm guessing that they must enjoy it. Do they prefer it over the flowers of other Aloes? That's up the hummingbirds to decide for themselves. I certainly trust their ability to decide for themselves how much benefit they derive from the hybrid compared to the alternatives.

Personally, I like the hybrid. This means that I really don't want to lose it. Fortunately, it produces lots and lots of offshoots. In order to avoid the fundamental problem of having all my eggs in one basket, I've been sharing cuttings with friends. It's up to each and every friend to decide whether they share cuttings with their friends. As the hybrid proliferates... more and more hummingbirds will be able to try the nectar and decide how it compares to the nectar from other Aloes. If more and more hummingbirds decide they really like it, then the hybrid will end up with more seeds... which could potentially be shared and spread by humans. Some of the seeds might turn out to be new hybrids... and the process will repeat.

What Nature is doing is trying to get Aloes into new and different environments. Nature wants there to be a huge variety of Aloes that have no problem growing outdoors year around in Canada. Just like she wants there to be a huge variety of epiphytic orchids that have no problem growing outdoors year around in Canada. Nature wants the widest variety of life to be in as many baskets as possible. The very reason why Nature created us humans is so that we can spread, or help spread, life across the universe. Each and every galaxy in the universe should have an incredible variety and quantity of Ghost orchids.

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to be honest there are no short cuts in conservation. we humans just have to suck it up and put the effort in awareness and care for the environment!!
From my perspective, herclivation is much better than conservation...

herclivation > conservation

I've endeavored to explain why I prefer herclivation. You can decide for yourself which one you prefer. It's pretty great having a choice... isn't it?
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I encourage everyone to unsubscribe from this nonsense....as I'm doing right now.

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