MSG - Orchid Board

Dusty Ol' Man · #1 10-09-2021, 12:00 PM

Anyone ever heard of this before? If so, what is your opinion?
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estación seca · #2 10-09-2021, 02:01 PM

Glutamic acid is the smallest and commonest amino acid in proteins. Plants can synthesize as much as they want. I don't know whether it acts as a hormone. Sodium is not helpful to plants.

I wouldn't believe it to be useful without a carefully controlled experiment on two large groups of plants.

Dusty Ol' Man · #3 10-09-2021, 02:13 PM

I was actually looking for a video on an entirely different subject and that one popped up on my suggested list. Since MSG is on our 'do not use' list (food prep) it struck me as odd. Thanks for the feedback.

tmoney · #4 10-09-2021, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty Ol' Man

I was actually looking for a video on an entirely different subject and that one popped up on my suggested list. Since MSG is on our 'do not use' list (food prep) it struck me as odd. Thanks for the feedback.

well, there is the whole bit about the anti msg thing being written by one scientist, or pseudo scientist who just thought it was bad. then the anti chinese food people got on board. not saying one way or the other, but the msg history in the us is an intersting story worth reading more about. sure is tasty too!!

isurus79 · #5 10-09-2021, 06:36 PM

Seems like every possible ingredient pops up at some point as a "new" fertilizer. However, they never seem to pan out as anything useful. I'd just stick to the tried and true fertilizers.

As for MSG being bad for you, it isn't. Check out this video: What is MSG, and is it actually bad for you? - Sarah E. Tracy - YouTube

DirtyCoconuts · #6 10-09-2021, 07:49 PM

Msg is awesome. Less sodium than salt and umami!!

I make msg pickles and they are fire

Dusty Ol' Man · #7 10-09-2021, 11:29 PM

Seems the message 8s actually mixed. Here is an article:
Extensive use of monosodium glutamate: A threat to public health?
As far as using it food, we watch all sorts of gourmet cooking shows. I have never seen anyone on those programs use MSG. Their flavors come from fresh ingredients and don't need artificial enhancement.

estación seca · #8 10-10-2021, 01:04 AM

Dissolved in water in the body monosodium glutamate becomes the water-soluble ions glutamate and sodium ion. Glutamate is also formed when the amino acid glutamic acid is dissolved in water. It loses the positively-charged hydrogen ion from the acid end and becomes glutamate, a negatively-charged ion.

Any protein a person eats is loaded with the amino acid glutamic acid. When a glutamic acid is chopped off a protein chain in the water in the body it becomes glutamate ion. Any salt people eat exists in the water in the body as sodium ion and chloride ion.

So the act of eating at the same time anything with protein together with anything with salt creates monosodium glutamate in the body as the protein is digested. The amounts of monosodium glutamate used in some recipes are negligible compared to what is in a hamburger or a steak or some bacon or an omelette.

Glutamic acid acts as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain. Sedatives like alcohol, barbiturates and benzodiazepines (Valium, Versed) act on this system to produce sedation. The blood normally contains vanishingly small amounts of free glutamate because the liver scavenges all of it for protein synthesis. Even eating a large amount of glutamic acid will not cause brain problems because the blood vessels in the brain are designed to keep it out of the brain.

In the mouth glutamate signals the taste buds to open their blood vessels and swell up, exposing more taste receptors. This is one reason it's considered a taste enhancer. It also happens we have five different taste receptors in our taste buds: The traditional four we were taught, sweet, sour, bitter and salty, plus one for - glutamate! Our bodies were designed to like glutamate. It encourages us eat more protein just as the sweet receptor encourages us to take in more sugar. In Japanese the glutamate taste is called umami, as DC mentioned.

Dusty Ol' Man · #9 10-10-2021, 07:38 AM

I doubt very much that, at this stage of my life, I change my diet unless forced by a medical condition. I have already cut out 90% of the sugar and am healthier for it. We are label readers and buy accordingly, so we know we are getting no added MSG nor other chemicals we have decided to avoid.
The subject of the post was fertilizer for orchids, and we have strayed. I think I will continue with K-lite since it is proven effective and I have a good supply already.