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The Orchid Etiquette Advisory
By Rick Barry at 2007-02-04 21:16


f you are interested in viewing and perhaps purchasing superior plants of any orchid genus, particularly the best clones, you must look to private collections and beyond the 'Employees Only' signs at commercial growers. Some of the best clones ever produced are in the possession of hobbyists and commercial breeders and are not offered in the retail market. The sales of such high-end plants are usually conducted privately. Most often the exchange takes place directly with a breeder or collector who may offer a division of one of his breeding plants or perhaps some other select plants that will never become generally available. Access to view or purchase such plants is usually granted only by arrangement with the owner.

True orchid connoisseurs differ in substantial ways from typical hobbyists. While the average hobbyist may on occasion receive an AOS award for one of his plants, the true connoisseur expects to receive awards on a regular basis. Such awarded plants become the basis for one's reputation as a grower, and perhaps as a breeder. Some of these plants come at considerable expense, depending upon the rarity of the plant, the specific awards it has received, and its potential as a stud plant. The owner of an exceptional plant holds the same sort of regard for it that an art collector might for a Van Gogh or a Matisse. Like fine art, some orchid plants, the rarest and most valuable of all, disappear into the private collections of wealthy collectors, never to be seen in public. Other select plants are confined to the breeding bench, where they remain in bloom only long enough to be pollinated to produce the next generation of seedlings. The opportunity to view (and possibly even purchase) such plants is not granted lightly, and should always be viewed as a rare opportunity, as well as an honor.

***
Should one receive special access to plants unavailable to the general public, one must abide by some rules of behavior which are frequently overlooked in common practice.

Keep in mind at all times that you are a visitor. Watch your manners. Try to be as self-effacing as possible. You may consider yourself knowledgeable about orchids (as no doubt you've really learned a lot in the last 6 months), but your host may rightfully feels he knows more. After all, if you had any reputation in orchid culture he'd already have known of it. The receipt of a blue ribbon or a show trophy, or even an AOS award, doesn't grant you peer status with growers whose reputations have been earned over decades of experience. If you're a beginner, act like it.
Avoid carrying with you bulky items such as backpacks, large purses, crutches and oxygen tanks, which tend to topple or damage plants closest to aisles. Sadly, most growing areas are not, strictly speaking, wheelchair accessible. Large coats are also discouraged, since they can also provide shelter for 'runaway' plants.
In conversation don't drop names. You may think you can impress your host with your personal friendship with some orchid celebrity (based upon a 5 minute conversation during break at a society meeting), but you may also be unaware of the longstanding feud between the two dating back to the Watergate era. One person's ally is another's nemesis. Avoid subjects such as politics and religion. Your host may have been active in the Weather Underground or possibly a founding member of the Christian Coalition. Maybe he received his first orchids along with 10 kilos of cocaine. You may find conversation strained while trying to extricate your foot from your mouth.

Be very careful in talking about your student judgeship with the AOS. Serious growers have some strong opinions about the judging system in general and certain judges in particular. It would be pointless and counterproductive to praise someone for whom your host has nothing but contempt. In general, it is best to avoid offering personal opinions about anyone in the orchid world without first being certain of your host’s opinions regarding that person.
If you are a tobacco smoker, keep all evidence to that effect concealed. Don’t ask if you can smoke. That will only expose you as some self-destructive low-class nicotine addict. Many growers are obsessed with the risk of contagion (even, one might opine, excessively), and tobacco, for all its impacts on public health, is also implicated in virus transmission. If your host is a smoker you will discover that quickly enough, and that will give you the green light to smoke, but outside only, unless your host indicates otherwise.

Don't contradict anything the owner says, even if it the claim seems outrageous. If he tells you he flew on the Enola Gay take him at his word, even if he seems a little young for that.
If you desire to photograph any plants in a collection first ask the permission of the owner. Some growers prefer to maintain full artistic control over their plants, even images of them. Any grower has the right to exercise that option.
'Not For Sale' means just that. The red tags are for those who don't read English.
When viewing select plants never actually touch them, and especially don't attempt to move them unless encouraged to do so by the owner. Due to the asymmetrical growth pattern of many orchids, removing plants from a crowded growing area can sometimes produce a ripple or domino effect of plants toppling into the space just made available, radiating out from there like a card section at a college football game. The potential for damage demands that only the grower can assume such risks.

On no account should you ever remove an ID tag from a pot, no matter if you plan to put it right back. If you can't read a plant’s label you should ask what it is. Pulling a tag out of a plant can cause physical damage to the root system, not to mention the pathogens that can be introduced when the tag is replaced in the pot. Twisting or bending a label to read it can break it, usually at pot level. A two-piece ID tag is the first step in a plant's transition from an awarded clone to a no-name castoff, with the attendant loss of value. Keep your hands to yourself, or you may not be allowed a return visit.

Never criticize any bloom unless you are certain your host feels the same way. Avoid giving the impression that you are a person of poor taste who has no clue as to the standards by which orchids are judged, particularly if it happens to be true.

Never express doubts about the identification of a plant. While you may be certain that Cattleya loddigesii 'Streeter's Choice' is not a spotted minicatt, assume that the disparity is ascribable to mutations in the mericloning process.
If you see any insects, don't point them out. Assume they're on a 'test plant'. Ignore weeds. No grower is going to be impressed that you can accurately identify oxalis. In general, do not offer advice on either cultural techniques or pest control. Seek advice, but don’t offer it. In one’s own greenhouse, there is only one authority.
***
There are a number of phrases that already have been found to be offensive to elite orchid growers:

"How much you want for this?" - You must prove yourself orchid-worthy before you are even eligible as a buyer. Begin by speaking in complete sentences. This isn’t Home Depot. If you are interested in a given plant, ask a leading question, like "Is this available as a mericlone?" (WARNING: This can sound really ignorant if you are referring to a Paphiopedilum!) or "Do they (Not 'you', which is far too direct. Better the nonspecific 'they') sell divisions of this?". If your host is willing to do business with you he'll quickly respond to your cue. If your host responds with a curt "No, maybe you can Google it.", you may already have overstayed your welcome.

"Why so much?" - You're not shopping at the Flea Market, either. Keep questioning prices like that and they may jump considerably as a result.

"Is it collected?" - It's a touchy subject. Such information should be volunteered by the owner. You might be some kind of orchid narc. An orchid collection is very hard to maintain from a jail cell.

"Hey, where's all the good stuff?" - Clearly inappropriate considering you are probably viewing your host's most prized plants. Also discouraged is the parallel "Hey, where's the new stuff?", implying that your host isn't quite keeping up with current breeding trends.

"I've seen better." - Not a comment certain to endear. You might just as well say "Your best is my average."
"This is virused." The ultimate show-stopper. Either you know more about orchids or you know more about viruses. Either way, don't stay up late waiting for another invitation.
***
Readers hoping to visit select collections of orchids may object to any or all of these recommendations, but perhaps they will understand better when they grow up. If not, they are certain to remain the bete noir of all serious orchid growers.

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by cb977 on Mon, 2007-02-05 01:27
Rick, I haven't had the opportunity to get an inside up-close and personal view of a privately held collection but I have been to a few growers' nurseries and am always so awestruck, all I can do is babble about how beautiful everything is

by Tindomul on Mon, 2007-02-05 01:59
So many other hobbies are the same way. Birds, amphibians, fish. I had no idea how complicated and how tip toey you have to be. Thanks for the article, hopefully it will help anyone who will one day visit a private grower's collection for the first time.

by Orchonubee on Mon, 2007-02-05 16:05
Very informative, and can be applied to so many encounters in life.

by Paul on Thu, 2007-02-08 00:33
Any time someone has something you truly want, it doesn't hurt to be a shameless "suck-up"

by Marty on Thu, 2007-02-08 02:39
Paul, that's where the long trench coat and a back pack come into play

by goodgollymissmolly on Sun, 2007-02-18 15:37
This is probably a poor choice for my first post here, but here goes.

It seems to me that this item paints two groups with a pretty broad brush. It makes the very serious, long time, successful orchid enthusiast sound like a whining, social misfit and a relative newcomer like me sound like a stupid, financially weak, dishonest redneck.

I was fortunate enough to spend a great deal of last weekend in the company of the most awarded orchid personality in the history of the AOS. This good fortune occurred at a seminar about a different plant. I found this orchid royalty to be among the nicest, most helpful individuals I've ever met. He was more than willing to share information with everyone in a respectful manner.

As for me, I'm no thief or fool and I'm surely not under educated in either my manners or my profession. I'm not on a budget either.

I think the original message is truly unfriendly and false. Hopefully somebody will agree that the message is unnecessarily negative toward everyone.

by cneos on Sun, 2007-02-18 18:19
I've enjoyed visiting and being visited by good and not so good people. Fortunately for all of us, there's more good folks, professionals and hobbyists alike, out there than the self-absorbed 'unfriendlies' about whom the author writes. The 'unfriendlies' are only hurting themselves.
In my book, civility and respect for one another goes a long way toward determining whose company I will keep in ANY walk of life.

by Ross on Sun, 2007-02-18 20:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodgollymissmolly View Post
This is probably a poor choice for my first post here, but here goes.

It seems to me that this item paints two groups with a pretty broad brush. It makes the very serious, long time, successful orchid enthusiast sound like a whining, social misfit and a relative newcomer like me sound like a stupid, financially weak, dishonest redneck.

I was fortunate enough to spend a great deal of last weekend in the company of the most awarded orchid personality in the history of the AOS. This good fortune occurred at a seminar about a different plant. I found this orchid royalty to be among the nicest, most helpful individuals I've ever met. He was more than willing to share information with everyone in a respectful manner.

As for me, I'm no thief or fool and I'm surely not under educated in either my manners or my profession. I'm not on a budget either.

I think the original message is truly unfriendly and false. Hopefully somebody will agree that the message is unnecessarily negative toward everyone.
THANK YOU for saying this! My feelings exactly! Welcome to the board.

I hesitated responding (well didn't hesitate - Ididn't respond) because of the tone. I thought the whole article was elitist and wondered what the author had in mind. Had someone violated his precious collection and ego? Had someone pilfered something? I just don't get the point here, and I am slightly offended by the tone of the article, especially in light of the background of posts offered before this article was posted. JMHO. Sorry for the rant.

by Rick Barry on Mon, 2007-02-19 07:13
I suppose I should respond to some of these comments:

Perhaps I should have included some emoticons for those readers unable to distinguish the satirical from the literal, facetiousness from earnestness, sarcasm from simple declarative statements. Is there an emoticon to indicate tongue-in-cheek?

Why do you suppose any grower, breeder or collector would be hesitant to open their doors to strangers who might care to view their collection? Anyone who has worked at an orchid sale could offer a number of reasons. Why do you lock your front door at night? Why do you lock your car doors while you are shopping? Why would you insist that your daughter not roam the streets at night unless properly accompanied? By so doing are you implying that all people are thieves and rapists? Hardly. You are simply taking actions to prevent being victimized by that small proportion of the population that engages in these activities. You certainly won’t be criticized for it.

Orchid nurseries are uniquely vulnerable to pilferage. The removal of a single keiki from a plant is nearly undetectable. Pollen (which can be of considerable value to breeders) can quickly and easily be removed from a flower. Perpetrators of such theft may attempt to rationalize their actions, but the fact remains that they are stealing, and it is a form of theft that is very hard to detect.

The article wasn’t written as a portrait of the beginner or the experienced orchid grower. It is a portrayal of the extremes in attitude and actions I have personally witnessed in my years as an orchid grower. I have seen how people behave in retail environments. The vast majority are friendly, courteous and respectful. A minority, however, are absolutely boorish, and some are un-rehabilitated thieves. Retailers take elaborate and costly precautions to prevent theft, yet who accuses them of treating everyone like thieves? They are similarly justified in attempting to prevent the breakage of high value items by rendering them inaccessible without the assistance of a salesperson.

I didn’t make any blanket statements or generalizations about any segment of the orchid growing community. If any readers want to read between the lines, that’s their option. It would be fair to expect them to offer quotations from the article in support of their claims.

The idea that I portray experienced growers and breeders as “whining, social misfit(s)”, and newcomers as "stupid, financially weak, dishonest redneck(s)" is completely unsubstantiated. I do state, however, that it is the prerogative of any grower to set the terms on which anyone might tour their collection, and to question these terms (or to violate them) is truly rude and could rightfully result in banishment. Since such terms or rules governing one’s behavior are seldom expressed in advance, it seems common sense to err on the side of caution.

To say that one’s behavior only hurts oneself isn’t quite true. Bad behavior on anyone’s part is commonly attributed to the group to which that person appears to belong. When someone visits an orchid collection they will be viewed by the owner of the collection simply as an orchid hobbyist. If it turns into a bad experience for the owner, it can negatively impact the prospects of hobbyists who might wish to view the collection in the future. It isn’t necessarily fair to attribute the actions of a few to the group as a whole, but it is very common in human intercourse. It provides the basis for all human stereotypes.

I am currently working on an article about internet forums in general, but orchid forums in particular. It shouldn’t present much of a challenge to support my observations, since all statements made online are preserved and directly attributable to their authors, or at least their online pseudonyms. Stay tuned and thanks for listening.

Rick

by lyn on Sat, 2007-03-03 04:44
I see both sides of the fence on this issue. From my experiance, the best way to learn about orchids and orchidists is to find a good orchid society. I was fortunate enough to join the Volusia County Orchid Society in Florida. I met the most wonderful people who took me under thier wings and showed me how to grow, how to set up displays at orchid shows,and how to clerk for AOS judges. I have had many commercial growers and hobbyists invite me to see thier collections, sell and give me plants and pollen. Teach me how to pot, mount and flask orchids. I was amazed at the knowledge and willingness of these people to help me pursue my interest. After 17 years of growing orchids I still am learning and hope to keep learning until the day I die! I Love all of them from the department store orchids to the rare and endangered species! If you ever have the opportunity go to Monteverde Costa Rica, take a canopy tour where they grow! You will see them growing on trees up in the air and see blue butterflies and hummingbirds not to mention the Quezal bird and cloud forest waterfalls! You will never be the same! Orchids and Orchidists will change your life for the better! I Promise!!

by lyn on Tue, 2007-03-13 18:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by goodgollymissmolly View Post
This is probably a poor choice for my first post here, but here goes.

It seems to me that this item paints two groups with a pretty broad brush. It makes the very serious, long time, successful orchid enthusiast sound like a whining, social misfit and a relative newcomer like me sound like a stupid, financially weak, dishonest redneck.

I was fortunate enough to spend a great deal of last weekend in the company of the most awarded orchid personality in the history of the AOS. This good fortune occurred at a seminar about a different plant. I found this orchid royalty to be among the nicest, most helpful individuals I've ever met. He was more than willing to share information with everyone in a respectful manner.

As for me, I'm no thief or fool and I'm surely not under educated in either my manners or my profession. I'm not on a budget either.

I think the original message is truly unfriendly and false. Hopefully somebody will agree that the message is unnecessarily negative toward everyone.
I am just curious,was the Orchid Royalty either a commercial grower or AOS judge? I have met some super awesome individuals in both categories! Lyn

by goodgollymissmolly on Tue, 2007-03-13 21:05
Both Lyn, and right there in Volusia county. Obviously this identifies the person, but don't use the name, please

by lyn on Wed, 2007-03-14 04:17
If this is the same person I am thinking you are referring to,They(him and his wife) are the BEST! If you reply that they live in Glenwood on Banana Street then I know we are talking about the same Lynnbut why the secret? They are very respected comercial growers in this area!

by Rhonda_in_FL on Thu, 2007-05-17 00:04
I did read the article and at first glance thought it was somewhat elitist. It's often the shortcoming of internet posting communication.

On the other hand, I've never SEEN people manhandle plants until I put in a commercial display this year at the Ft. Laud. Show for an out-of-state vendor. Geeze Louise! People climbed right into the display and felt those poor flowers right up.

There should certainly be some orchid protocol, there are plenty of ignorant people in all walks of life.

Some of the suggestions about wearing large coats and carrying big bags are certainly legitimate too--at my judging center we've seen more than one award candidate become damaged by onlookers. We welcome the onlookers, but they accidentally knock into something and the plant is ruined for judging. It's such a shame.

by lyn on Thu, 2007-05-17 04:34
It must be spring fever because I was amazed at how crazy some people were acting at the last show I went to. I hate to admit that they were very aggressive older women grabbing and sniffing at a plant I had just bought. One woman took it out of my hands (after I had paid for it!) and I thought I was going to have to wrestle her for it and another one said she saw it first and I beat her to it! I saw another woman who looked in her 60's dressed in a bra-less see thru tank top and I was embarressed for me and her. It was like a bus pulled up from the crazy house! I tried to buy an orchid for my mother in law and three women jumped ahead of me in line! Crazy or just rude I do not know but a first time experience for me so do not feel alone in your amazement!

by Tindomul on Thu, 2007-05-17 15:21
Wow, I've never heard of such things happening out side of department stores on special sale days. Glad you came out of it alive though.

by cneos on Thu, 2007-05-17 18:13
I thought frenzy shopping went out of style when they closed Filene's basement. Just proves that with some folks, you can dress 'em up, but can't take 'em anywhere

by cb977 on Thu, 2007-05-17 21:07
I guess our club members can count themselves among the lucky ones!

I've been involved in two home shows so far (and one out-of-town) and I get a kick out of watching people at the displays...they all stand a certain distance away from the display (I don't know if there's some sort of subliminal message being sent out but they all stand about the same distance away ) and almost all have their hands folded...behind their backs!

Three cheers for the visitors at the Orchid Lovers of Spring Hill shows in Florida!

by cneos on Thu, 2007-05-17 22:16
I've been involved with orchid shows for many years and while things are always so beautiful that you just can't help yourself, our society places one rather small sign (unobtrusively) near the flower that's likely to draw the most attention exhibit. It reads - "Please do not touch the humans." It's quite effective!

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